The problem with Horde-bias is that we have several videos with jabs towards the Alliance (from the developers at different BlizzCons), actual belittling on a Q&A, several questionable inGame decisions (like hiding the Horde emblem under Varian’s grave) and the infamous Horde concert where people harassed Alliance-players and the former president had to post an open apology.
Horde-bias is a very rabbit-hole’ish discussion but in the end they are somewhat favored to a degree. It doesn’t help that the majority of the player base is Horde by now, at least the competent ones.
I don’t see removal of factions as an option, 2 factions make storywriting easier, actually they don’t write a story for Alliance though… I mean they release random low effort crap for one side, Alliance story is just junk food in order to stall people for a while not a meal.
Hey Wolta is me, we are the same person. How am I responsible for their decision. All raiders are on Horde side because of ongoing Horde bias, not because of me or my complaints.
Alliance is dying nonstop, faction swaps will be much more visible nowadays, I mean pre-Shadowlands. I am a doomsayer but doomsayers are not always wrong, especially people like me, we always speak based on concrete proofs and truths.
I am not a High Elf fan, I like Void Elf more rather than Blood Elf but you have to admit it Blue-Eye Blood Elf is a middle finger to High Elf supporters, they have been talking about it since 2008 perhaps? Alliance’s wish list always gets ignored.
Why do we have fat humans as a new race, why do we have garbage gnomes, what is the point of their existence in the first place. Any individual with 50 IQ would tell them that these are fiasco additions if those 50 IQ people were asked for recommendations and suggestions.
Alliance players are unhappy, can you deny it? That is why they keep leaving the faction and some of them leave the game entirely not only faction. If there isn’t a new cool race planned for Alliance for Shadowlands launch then it is meaningless to stay on Alliance side because the gap between 2 factions will be much worse compared to BfA.
You should admit it already… the faction balance is getting worse every single passing day. There is nothing to look forward on Alliance side until now related to Shadowlands, I’ll keep watching the news.
If I want to respond in a thread I will do so, you do not get to make that decision for me. Nor do you get to decide when I can or cannot post which you also tried to tell me recently. You only embarrass yourself with this lame attempt at trolling
I did us both a favor to move the Horde-bias topic to this one. If you can’t live with that then feel free to discuss this in the other topic but don’t come ever back and blame me when other people get upset and blame us for derailing the other discussion.
For everyone else who is out of the loop: I answered in this topic on her question from that topic:
I did not ask you to switch my response in one thread to another, so no you were not doing me a favour. And don’t you EVER think you have the right to decide what I post, where I post and to which people I respond
Continuity exists to enhance the story, not tie the hands of the creators.
Storywriting doesn’t get any easier after you’ve given yourself a carte blanche to ignore established canon.
The main issue with removal of factions is that they can no longer cash in on primitive tribalism. It’s what they hyped BfA up with and it’s the main reason why the factions are such a pillar to WoW. So realistically, even if they’d remove them de facto, they’d remain pro forma anyway,
When it suits them they call factions “pillars of WoW” but they don’t treat one side like a pillar, not at all that is the problem. If they are gonna keep treating Alliance like this then there won’t be a need to merge factions or remove factions, Alliance will diminish in numbers and only roleplayers will stay, perhaps even they will leave the faction since we’ve seen only 3 race’ customization until now and one of them was a perfect middle finger to Alliance, there are probably more to come.
Actions speaks louder than words, it is not enough to call 2 factions pillars, they must prove it and repair one of these pillars because one of them can barely stand, shaking.
That makes perfect sense you have complained about it.
ARE YOU THIS BLIND? People looking at forum see people complaining OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FREAKING JOIN THAT FACTION.
You are not going to recrute people if you stand yelling how bad it is to be on that faction.
Would you Buy a car if the seller told you EVERYTHING BAD about it, nothing is working it is hard to get new parts because no one buys it and so on, but this other car the same seller tells you only the good parts even hypes up useless things like the cupholders being able to hold more then cups. (both same price)
Ofcourse you would not buy the car he made sound bad.
YOU ARE THAT SELLER you are hyping horde up to be more then it is and you are DOWN PLAYING alliance BECAUSE YOU YOU have an agenda, and it seems to be that you want to play horde but you are to cheap to do a faction and/or server transfer or you do not want to level up a new one.
Actually I value honesty and I would be more suspicious of the other guy because of his exxagerated marketing strategy and buy the honest guy’s car at least I would be aware of its problems.
I don’t hype anything about Horde, Horde already have its seller a company called as Blizzard perhaps you know…
I have money and I don’t wanna play Horde. I’ve said before numerous times Alliance or I’ll just completely stop playing. I want Blizzard to stop with this BS, that is my agenda.
THIS WHOLE FREAKING THREAD IS YOU hyping up BAG SLOTS as horde BIAS.
So that is just a freaking lie on your part.
No blizzard sells a game where you can choose to be both horde or alliance You are the one who are SO BLIND that you can not possibly understand how stupid it sounds like when you say stuff like that.
So what you want is ALLIANCE BIAS and it if it is not alliance bias then everything must be horde bias what a stupid thing to say.
And yet you are here liying about what you are doing not to other people but to yourself.
It is the truth, on one side there is an abomination race which has 0.1% audience out of WoW playerbase on the other side a good looking race with useful utility racials.
No, Blizzard not only sell a game, they also sell a game inside a game nowadays, their marketing strategy has been shifting to microtransactions and they admit and confess this themselves yet you are here telling me that “They sell a game”, no… “They sell a game, then sell one more game and a few more games” via selling mounts, faction swaps, race changes, guild swaps. Briefly, it is more than just selling a game, hopefully now you will realize who is
Yes, we need that Alliance bias for a year in order to balance the scales.
I’m not lying about anything here, I’m explicitly telling you my agenda and intentions with all my honesty, I don’t need to lie on the forums.
Ofcourse you are unable to see it, you are blinded by what you believe you are not able to look in to your self and see what you are doing is self sabotaging.
But i have given up on changing you because you wont be able to until you are able to look in to what you yourself are doing and being able to see how FREAKING bad it is for the alliance.
That is not how you balance it and alliance have things that goes in there favour but you are Not willing to see them because of your blind spot.
No it is not it is what YOU BELIEVE and you NEED it to be right for your mind or you will break.
Heck in that you claim 0.1% yet you wont be able to show proof of that.
But you are to far gone you will die believing this even if i had numbers proving you otherwise you would claim the numbers to be wrong because you are not able to fathom that it can be the case that there is no bias.
You are the same person who claims if a quest giver is horde it is horde bias but if quest giver is alliance it is no bias to anything.
(for quests that both sides do and world quests)
You want alliance bias because it helps YOU, you do not care about balance you want what helps you.
I know for a fact off alliance guilds that have gone horde BECAUSE OF THREADS LIKE THIS, i even know of some people that can site THIS VERY thread you made here as the reason they changed to horde. You are literally making people choose to go horde over alliance YOU are the problem and you are not helping ANYONE.
I really don’t know, why people are calling horde bias so much… this whole expansion screams “make the horde as bad as possible” first we get to be the bad guy AGAIN after 2 exactly the same story lines have already been done (remember Warcraft , Daelin Proudmoore and stuff (was actually a plot point in this expansion) or remember SoO and now this…) all 3 times, horde has done something bad and the discussion “honorable horde” starts anew… we had to go through the exact same story 3 times now getting repetitive, don’t you think?
then the BFA zones for alliance are much better, the main hub boralus is much more convenient, the allied races have stronger racials, alliance won both Warfronts
we got a “fake” old god story, a dessert and more trolls
alliance got a “real” old god story (n’zoth) a death themed zone (arguably the BESTZONE in BFA and a cute family reunion
also alliance pretty much won the battle of Dazar alor (0 major deaths, while hode lost rastakhan
Also we lost another Warchief AGAIN
Also when it comes to neutral plot points, horde always gets to quest with ALLIANCE heroes, while the opposite never happens for alliance…
(where were horde representatives in the broken shore, on argus?)
remember “Tyrande I need you”?
and the same seems to happen in Shadowlands, we get to rescue Tyrande…
granted, we got 3 saurfang cinematics, but those are completely wasted for reasons above, in my oppinion he died a needless death, and the “the horde needs to decide on a path” argument doesn’t fly, if we had that 2! times already.
You are making this up actually, this sounds stupid.
I just want to see more or less same amount of players on my side who can participate in both PvP and PvE and for this to happen we need Alliance bias for a year, that is the only solution.
It doesn’t make me the murderer if I am just witness and tell people “Hey, someone is getting killed here”. Alliance is getting killed here by Blizzard and I’m telling people this, I’m not a schizophrene.
As long as we get the cool new stuff and story it is not a matter, even Jewish a player wouldn’t care about being an Alliance Nazy if s/he gets the races and mounts s/he wants. This is a game, you are not a bad guy in real life even if you are portrayed as one in the game.
Hahaha, there is only 1 thing that I can agree with you, Boralus is better than Zandalar capital but how important it is really? Boralus will be forgotten within the next expansion launch it is not a permanent addition. If Alliance had stronger racials then faction swaps would be reversed an people would come to Alliance, so please stop with nonsense , Darkshore was already an Alliance zone and the same thing applies to Stromgarde, mostly Alliance zone, besides we didn’t see anything related to our victory nor it will have an impact on the game, I don’t care if we rule the universe if I won’t see anything related to it, Horde were agressors and Alliance defended their lands, took them back with brand new blighty trees and soil, what a success.
Tyrande is only 1 of 4 main characters of 4 zones, there other ones are Kael’thas, Thrall’s Mommy and Uther, there are 2 Horde 2 Alliance characters in those 4 zones. Besides we won’t save Tyrande, we are trying to catch her because she goes too fast forward.
Imagine me saying that “Okay, Tyrande got 3 CGI cinematics for nearly 20 minutes but those are wasted because of… reasons”
as far as I remember, this whole mess started, because Alliance’s Greymane attacked Sylvannas in Legion, so the Alliance was the aggressor
and yes I know what happened to greymane, but there was a peace treaty, because
Legion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>personal vengeance
I am pretty sure, if I didn’t play horde since I started playing and if I was starting to play now, I would go Alliance… because getting the same old story 3 times is repetitive and boring and I don’t care wether this is a game or not, I don’t want to be the bad guy all the time with being at the mercy of the MIGHTY Alliance…
besides, the fact, that the horde still exist, is completely illogical… if I was alliance, I would have eradicated all of them by now, with the same thing happening 3! times
Don’t make me laugh, Bloodmallet doesn’t prove anything. There are too many variables that have an impact on damage output during a boss fight and PvP.
If I could add screenshots I would, remember the Theramore then.
On this part I agree with you partly. One dimensional story is disturbing, Alliance might be defender of justice and the good boy of the story but it shouldn’t mean that they can’t do anything bad with main characters included.
Horde cannot get dissolved for the game reasons but I think they were never asked for real repercussions despite their relentless bad deeds. Such cartoonish storywriting makes people lose interest in quests.
Anyhow, there are many things waiting to get fixed related to this game, some people may act like everything is perfect but everything is not perfect, not even close to perfect.
