theramore was during MoP…
that is what I mean with same story…
also, I think it was in the book “Warcrimes”? there was a plot point, where Jaina admitted, that not all horde people are garrosh and she can’t have all the people take responsibility for that…
remember teldrassil? the same…
remember the first and second war?
the same…
that I do agree with, however I don’t agree with the existence of horde bias…
calm down barbie you get your super elfy eyes and epixx from countless raids and mythics, go eat a mana infused snickers
ps DONT YOU EVER talk like that to a person rofl
I’m sure you’d reference this again and again if it had been the Horde with the better layout.
Horde had to put up with this poorly designed city for half an expansion+. It included: extra cost for flights to and from the docks and extra travel time (admittedly the cost was trifling, but both still formed a sort of faction tax). A war table that had 0 defence against the opposite faction, allowing Alliance raids to camp there AND quests for them too!
Also:
Just because the Devs may have missed the mark on what (it seems) many Alliance players wanted for their allied races, does not mean they did not put the same amount of consideration and effort into them as the horde ones. I’m sure they did (and, in one particular case, A LOT more effort).
There is no bias one way or the other. Its just some times things work out better for one faction than the other.
Now that’s not to say that the factions aren’t imbalanced from a population perspective, I highly suspect they are. Although the opposite seems to be mostly true on rp servers, all other anecdotal evidence points to a more active horde player base overall. And for that I have no fair solution, since it was apparently created by a now historical issue that no longer exists, but whose initial impact was so profound that it could still be causing faction transfers today.
If you are unsatisfied with a product but keep buying it anyway then the company is going to leisurely spread their cheeks and take a dump right on your face. They will keep doing that until you stop being an Olliver Twist and actually walk away. Mind you, this isn’t about Blizzard specifically. Goes for everything that is transactional in its nature.
As an aside, “fake money” actually puts more money into the pocket of Blizzard than just subscribing with “real money” directly. Not to mention that by actively playing and even contributing to the token economy you are lining their pockets and providing content for other players. Might as well say “Please sir, may I have another?” as Blizzard inserts a figurative finger up your rectum.
If you aren’t having fun or feel discriminated against as a patriotic boy in blue, vote with both your wallet and your time and take a break from the game.
Dropping subscription numbers, dropping microtransaction revenue, and dropping player activity all send a message. Howling into the void on a forum Blizzard would rather not even acknowledge might help you feel better but will change nothing.
Isn’t it strange, Alliance have all God-tier characters but Alliance people are also constantly getting murdered ingame, we haven’t seen any benefit of those God-tier people, Malfurion has been in coma for 8 months because of a Heroic Throw by an old Zugzug named Varok Saurfang. Malfurion is the most God-Tier character this game have, right?
Spending too much time on a work doesn’t always equate to a good work, I’ve written too many essays until this day, the ones that I’ve worked on 1 day turned out to be worse compared to the ones written in 1 hour many times. A new rig or its creation process’ time length doesn’t mean anything, it doesn’t change the fact that Kul’tiran humans are a fiasco race.
The Horde already have their competitive racials, Blizzard now giving the Horde roleplay materials and appearence-wise better races, they are trying to give variety and more flavour to the faction. Main purpose of this is creating a place for Alliance casuals on Horde side. +6 bag slots racial for a Fox race for example.
If there is a constant player flow from one side to another for years then there is definitely some bias there, it isn’t something particular to Legion expansion, it continues during BfA nowadays and this player flow keep going from Alliance to Horde if Blizzard don’t stop favouring one side.
Yes, factions are imbalanced I agree with you there and I’m telling you that it will get worse by each passing day, guilds started to swap to Horde, my own guild quit Alliance on 30 March, it was a Mythic progress guild they will make preparations on Horde side until Shadowlands and recruit more people there that’s why they are leaving now.
I have a solution, Satyr race would be a good start with competitive DPS racials, Alliance racials needs to get buffed and stay like that for at least 1 year or 1 expansion timespan, there is no other way. First they need to pull likes of Limit and Method, top tier guilds and PvP players, I know humans are still viable in 2v2 but they are literally equal to Orcs after EMFH nerf in Legion.
I appreciate your suggestion but this is my way of fighting. I don’t buy microtransactions and I’m a part of WoW economy even if I don’t spend real money I know.
They’ll hear eventually, they have to because one way or another they’ll see player count is going down if they don’t give the treatment Blue side deserves.
We are not raging here, we are pointing out the problems we have as a faction, we are listing our complaints. One day they might take a look at this thread and say “Hmm, so they don’t like this” etc…
I will keep telling these until I get bored and my patience level is God-tier.
the flow is there, because players are complaining, that alliance is so bad, horde has already a larger player base, and most players do not want to play with the supposedly empty side, so they start in horde… if players want to raid, m+, pvp they have a larger pool to choose from in the horde than in the alliance…
—> so it doesn’t need a bias for the flow to exist… the damage was done before, because of racials now there is neither a bias nor are the racials that unbalanced to either side, so the flow WON’T reverse…
I hope you do realize, that this would create the same issue in reverse right?
you really shouldn’t pull all of them to the alliance side, because a lot of players also go where the best players to choose from are… if Method, Limit, Excosus, Big Dumb Guild and so on all switch to alliance, then it would just repeat the issue
That’s the spirit And i hope one day we can get 50% horde and 50% alliance and we’ll both have equel raiding guilds. Plus it’s getting kinda annorying that horde think they’re overlords when i can form a pvp group with the few remaning pros to slaughter them.
No it isnt. They HAVE to be neutered because the horde has been given nothing comparable for YEARS. It would be bias if both factions were of similar strength, but that the Horde characters were running around taking names whilst the Alliance characters fumbled about in the dark.
And…? This does nothing to explain how Blizzard attributing so many more resources to an Alliance allied race is somehow evidence of horde bias.
The Alliance player base not responding favourably to the extra time, effort and care they received, does not equate to the Devs trying to screw them over. Its just poor judgement.
Wait, what? You’re claiming horde bias because of your perceived (and unsupported) belief that Horde DPS racials are better AND horde bias when Blizzard instead gives the DPS racials to Alliance whilst Horde get “roleplay” ones? What are Blizzard supposed to do here? Give new horde races no racials whatsoever? Or would that be bias too because it somehow makes them easier to play?
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not saying your feelings are wrong or unjustified. There is faction inbalance that goes both ways just in different areas (on Alliance characters I feel robbed of cool cosmetics and more interesting race options, on Horde characters I feel disgust for often being forced into a narrative where I’m playing the high fantasy equivalent of Josef Mengele) and the issue needs a lot more attention than it currently receives.
Unfortunately, due to Blizzard’s unbridled arrogance and Ion’s sincere belief of his own superiority, endlessly posting about this on the forum doesn’t bring about any change. Especially since the EU forum isn’t read by anyone important.
I’m not telling people to quit commenting because I don’t value their opinion but because I do value their opinion and want them to be heard by Blizzard. The only thing they hear however is the absence of dollars in the wallet of their investors.
This is what I’ve been doing myself for years and have always encouraged people to do if they were unsatisfied. Make a thread where you voice what you are unhappy with, unsubscribe, and play games that do make you happy while keeping an eye on WoW.
If there are enough changes made or new content introduced that you feel would satisfy you then reward them with money. Otherwise don’t.
Good news everyone! My guild < Tickle Me Pink > is moving to Draenor Horde side.
Blizzard when will you take action? Stop with your Horde bias already.
My main’s guild Nydium decided to move Twisting Nether Horde, my alt’s guild Tickle Me Pink decided to move Draenor Horde, both are mythic progress guilds and you still come here to say “There is no bias” shills.
Ok, if all the naggers in this thread go horde I’m going alliance.
Kul Tiran female in pirate gear looks awesome anyway.
There won’t be too many remaining players on Alliance soon that’s for sure. 2 Mythic progress guilds of mine moved the guilds to Horde side in a short time, this alone is the proof of terrible faction imbalance and Horde bias… Guilds will keep moving to Horde side pre-Shadowlands in order to recruit more members and make preparations.
I’m staying though but only if Warmode bonus increases to 50% 
Don’t sweat it, until Legion you won’t encounter any Alliance-players on AD. 
Except it’s really busy? I mean, alliance on AD has the WM buff 24/7 while also outnumbering horde… so it’s really fast and easy to level on alliance. Until you hit BfA of course and are stuck with this ENDLESS farming of rep to finally get those awesome kul tirans. But… I’m working on it :).
It’s not “busy”. I have leveled one character (or make it two with the new one) through the so called “AD Horde-hell” recently. Here’s my proof, you can even check the date when I pinged LV120:
It’s absolutely painless to level a Horde-character on AD. I met almost no one the whole time.
You were talking about alliance in low level areas? Maybe I got you wrong but I though you meant pre legion areas?
With wm off I see enough people anyway. Those may not be from AD though with xrealm going on, I don’t take the time to look tbf. When it comes to BfA I just level the last few levels of my DH to have a character I can farm rep with for those delicious Kul Tirans, and there seemed to be enough people. Not swarming, don’t get me wrong, but enough for something so “old”.
I haven’t checked the online 120’s on AD lately but it used to be about 70-30 alliance horde, I wonder what that’s like now.
Anyway, I think the game is quiet overall which must be the reason why Ion is suddenly listening to feedback for SL. If you really, truly believe something is horrible for the alliance now is probably the time to make a good case.
But posting in a thread complaining about 8 slot bag racial is not the way to go about it, I’m afraid. Make a really good thread with points that you feel aren’t working for alliance and what you would like blizzard to focus on. Just don’t point at horde players for being evil, because that will take away from your cause.
People in this thread seem to think the constructed ideas of “horde” and “alliance” which can freely be switched between are something you take to real life, completely ignoring that people may want to see both sides of the story. There are no “horde” or “alliance” players, just avatars you post as.
It was indeed a hyperbolic start but in the end we had many good topics here which is why it’s still on-going.
I explained this many times before, it was a hook sentence to pull people here, do they still really think I wasn’t aware of how ridicilous it looks
Blizzard, we’ve listed enough Horde bias stuff until this day under this thread, I am not eager to keep posting here. Here is my last will, I want Faun race to be playable on Alliance side, as soon as possible.
I’ve always been a Satyr race supporter on these forums and I can say that these Fauns are probably the closest things to Satyr that we will ever see in this fictional universe. And yea, here are the threads I’ve created until now related to Satyr. Don’t disappoint us this time, give us our a little more well mannered Satyr. This is my last will… see ya 