So Ice Barbed Spear is Mission impossible for Alliance player?

[Shime-skullflame]

Right, it’s the spawn points, graveyards and terrain that give horde clear advantage.
Keep telling yourself that, I’ll be at vann when you decide to leave the spawnpoint and defend, or just level to 60.

[Tartanangel-ashbringer]

@Shime-skullflame

@Joelthas-earthshaker

Where I said its a problem?

Your perception of why alliance is losing AV is wrong.

@Milisava-golemagg

I see horde 51 lowbies quiue to AV all the time, but i don’t see they have a problem

Horde doesn’t have majority of the team composed of 51-59 characters. I think it’s pretty clear who wins when the 2 compositions engage.

@Eringer-zandalar-tribe

He is frankly implying you are the problem.
That a lvl 51 grinding harpies while leeching honor is problematic when a large number of people do it. Combine that with the afk/bots and you have maybe between 20-30 active players facing maybe 30-35 active players

^^^^^ he gets it.

@Milisava-golemagg

That is not an issue here, problem lies in the fact that Horde opposites are doing the same thing

Where did you get that information? AV is a part of the BG rotation for horde honor grind. AFK players are present on both sides, horde just doesn’t have lvl51 warriors pretending to be 60.

The only way to “balance” AV is to give AV a 51-59 bracket. Although, do that and 51-59 alliance will be experiencing eternal queues.

Allience doesn’t have majority of lvl 51-59 it effects both factions equally also you just assumed he was farming harpies both sides will have lower levels if you think all horde are 60 and Allience has half a team of lvl 51 sitting in a cave or afk you are completely deluded. I have seen plenty horde bots doing the same running into Allience on mounts over and over and Leechers afk even next to a Gy flag where u can cap and they just stand there

it’s all down to the map balance the map heavily favours the horde it is the reason he cannot get the quest completed

my best advice is wait until tbc when they finally move the horde cave and fix the one sided map

[Veratyr-bloodfang]

I am doing av on alliance for a week now.
Have nothing to do with map or annything…
Every game same sjit happens…
They try the same tactic horde knows for over a year…(all rush and dont fight)
That means alliance players just die, and than all demotivated and than just typing crap… Or just afk leech.
Alliance deserve this av sjit whole… Its pathetic

[Shime-skullflame]

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

Allience doesn’t have majority of lvl 51-59 it effects both factions equally

no it doesn’t.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

you just assumed he was farming harpies

I didn’t assume anything. You all keep saying that, not me.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

Allience has half a team of lvl 51 sitting in a cave or afk

the only relevant part of that sentence

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

I have seen plenty horde bots doing the same running into Allience on mounts

I suggest you count bots per game, not bots per play session.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

it’s all down to the map balance the map heavily favours the horde it is the reason he cannot get the quest completed

You’re so predictable it’s funny and sad at the same time.

[Tartanangel-ashbringer]

Yeah the map is perfectly balanced your skill is the reason you win 99% of the time

[Shime-skullflame]

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

Yeah the map is perfectly balanced your skill is the reason you win 99% of the time

buddy, in 40man skill means absolutely nothing. being lvl51 against lvl60 wielding asscandy tho…

[Tartanangel-ashbringer]

Well you seem to know all the statistics mastermind.you must have counted the level of all the horde and all the Allience everygame since you said it doesn’t effect both factions equally.

I must be dreaming when I kill level 51 horde in AV also I must be blind when I see 1-2 dots near the cave instead of the 20 at the cave like you assume happens everygame.

Everything you say is baseless know what isn’t baseless the win percentage of horde and Allience faction that can easily be measured with add-ons.

[Shime-skullflame]

I count lowbies with the amount of kills for which I don’t need ES in the same global.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

I must be dreaming when I kill level 51 horde

Like I said, count players per game, not play session. I’m sure you’ll encouter lvl51 hunters getting their xbow.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

instead of the 20 at the cave like you assume happens everygame.

I see 20 allies at SP, I do the math. I know, lost and forgotten knowledge. I clearly have an unfair advantage.

[Tartanangel-ashbringer]

Yes, you clearly do have the advantage.

you start halfway up the map having double respawns when defending ibgy with the cave. when someone horde side can reach shgy on a slow mount faster than Allience can reach ibgy on a epic mount.

Allience cannot get shgy back since horde respawn 10 secs away while Allience have to run for almost 1 minute mounted to reach that’s the reason you see players at sp

its like playing Tekken with a handicap doing 100% more damage and 100% more health and wonder why you win more games than players with no handicap

horde classic AV is hello kitty difficulty to win any horde that doesn’t see their map having an advantage I seriously think they have zero strategic intelligence

I guess most of allience will just keep to wsg/ab and stomp you and horde will have a huge eye-opening tbc when their advantages get taken away from them

[Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects]

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

horde classic AV is hello kitty difficulty to win any horde that doesn’t see their map having an advantage I seriously think they have zero strategic intelligence

No, they are simply hypocritical. They also are afraid that Blizzard would do something and they start to have to fight to win.

It’s pathetic that we PAY Blizzard for this and nothing is done.

[Shime-skullflame]

@Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects

It’s pathetic that we PAY Blizzard for this and nothing is done.

#nochanges
you wanted it, you got it, or did you only think you wanted it?

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

you start halfway up the map having double respawns when defending ibgy with the cave. when someone horde side can reach shgy on a slow mount faster than Allience can reach ibgy on a epic mount.

actually, every single AV I did alliance could have met horde in the middle of field of strife, as in MIDDLE OF THE MAP, but they decided to either go left or right to bypass the conflict. (hint: longer way around)
The entire map is asymetric and each side has its drawbacks. It just happens so that the only content you see in AV is actually the first alliance drawback.
If you, and 39 other salt mines bothered to actually do some pvp where it was designed on the map, you’d have a chance at not even seeing that drawback.
Seeing how you are deaf to reason, keep telling yourself that it’s terrain advantage and I’ll keep farming that sweet honor.

Also, just to gouge your tiny memory. When alliance actually tried they could pin the horde in their spawn point due to how open and along the way the exit of that spawn was. Blizzard didn’t change the entire AV btw, horde just got better.

[Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects]

@Shime-skullflame

#nochanges
you wanted it, you got it, or did you only think you wanted it?

Retarded answer, as expected. This is already not the original AV. So at least make it balanced, since it’s already changed anyway.
But the horde keyboard facerollers don’t want that, it’s logical - they want to keep their easy way to win without efforts.

[Shime-skullflame]

@Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects

Retarded answer, as expected.

well I call em like I see em and respond in kind. looks like I found the #nochanges acolyte.

I have a balance fix for you, make 51 - 59 a separate queue. Oh, but that wouldn’t help your horrible playstyle in AV.

[Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects]

@Shime-skullflame

@Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects

Retarded answer, as expected.

well I call em like I see em and respond in kind. looks like I found the #nochanges acolyte.

And I found a keyboard facerolling horde playing the easiest faceroll class too… what a surprise, really. Can’t expect honesty from someone like you.

[Shime-skullflame]

I see where the salt is flowing from now. It’s the horde has better pvp racials crowd. This has nothing to do with AV, you have an agenda against horde pvpers because they touched you wrong.
Oooh let’s not forget, shamans OP nerf WF and FS.

Looks like I was right. You only think you wanted #nochanges.

[Joelthas-earthshaker]

Shime sorry but you are really retarded. Keep playing your teens faction, go with the sheep crowd and be happy.

Horde is so “awesome” in AV but keep losing every other bg wierd

[Shime-skullflame]

@Joelthas-earthshaker

sheep crowd

ironic really

[Tartanangel-ashbringer]

@Shime-skullflame

@Anonymouse-chamber-of-aspects

It’s pathetic that we PAY Blizzard for this and nothing is done.

#nochanges
you wanted it, you got it, or did you only think you wanted it?

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

you start halfway up the map having double respawns when defending ibgy with the cave. when someone horde side can reach shgy on a slow mount faster than Allience can reach ibgy on a epic mount.

actually, every single AV I did alliance could have met horde in the middle of field of strife, as in MIDDLE OF THE MAP, but they decided to either go left or right to bypass the conflict. (hint: longer way around)
The entire map is asymetric and each side has its drawbacks. It just happens so that the only content you see in AV is actually the first alliance drawback.
If you, and 39 other salt mines bothered to actually do some pvp where it was designed on the map, you’d have a chance at not even seeing that drawback.
Seeing how you are deaf to reason, keep telling yourself that it’s terrain advantage and I’ll keep farming that sweet honor.

Also, just to gouge your tiny memory. When alliance actually tried they could pin the horde in their spawn point due to how open and along the way the exit of that spawn was. Blizzard didn’t change the entire AV btw, horde just got better.

I just cannot take you seriously if you actually think Allience and horde meet at the middle of the field of strife go watch some YouTube videos the middle of the map is actually 20 yards south of shgy it has already been proven which also means the horde reach balinda before Allience can reach galv, horde also reach snowfall first.

The drawbacks the horde have to face actually work against Allience the only thing horde has to fight for is spgy which is easy to take when u can easily defend shgy until you have enough tokens for Lok.

fact that this version of av didn’t even didn’t even last 5 months before it heavily reworked.

My brain works fine horde can pin the Allience in their cave just as easy as Allience can pin you and u think it’s balanced because 1/500 games you fight against a premade russian or guild of grandmarshals who spawn queue up to the same AV number and spawn camp.

[Zaresh-earthshaker]

@Shime-skullflame

alliance could have met horde in the middle of field of strife

You do know that this has been tested quite recently?

There is a video on Youtube showing the time it takes Alliance and Horde to reach FoS.

I have personally tried it aswell, rushing asap on epic mount to SH tower and arriving about the same time as Horde, mayhaps even a little bit after.

So no, we can’t really meet in middle of FoS.

[Shime-skullflame]

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

20 yards south of shgy

must be just me then that even if I’m in the first rows I actually get to see the tail end of the alliance galv train.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

My brain works fine

apparently not since SPGY flag is about 30m below the alliance entrance, vertically. if you call that along the way to vann, you must be playing that AV version with flying.