I didn’t say the notion of an attack itself revolted them, I said the bombing did.
And what I am saying is that I don’t care one bit about Vol’jin’s feelings on the bombing when he was on board with conquering Theramore.
2227 trolls actually. One got sick.
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Fine dude, fine. When we nuke Orgrimmar in retaliation for Theramore, we’ll spare that one troll.
Thank ya, mon!
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that ship has sailed.
jaina and varian were aboard it, as i recall, and they decided not to nuke anything because then they’d be just as bad as garrosh and zzzzzzz
You recall badly then.
And since the Kul’tirans drew first blood against the Darkspear back in the Founding of Durotar, and since despite Jaina’s feelings how much of Theramore was thirsty for hostilities against the Horde I don’t see why anyone in the Horde, let alone the Darkspears, should feel any guilty or bother towards an attack. It was the methods and means, not the notion itself which bothered anyone.
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Except that the kul tirans don’t live in Theramore. Theramore’s population is comprised of refugees from the northern kingdoms hit by the Scourge.
Also, they should feel guilty because, uhm, if it wasn’t for Jaina and Theramore’s forces, they:
A) Would have lost against Archimonde, since Jaina and her forces formed the first and strongest line of defense against the Legion-Scourge host;
B) Would have most likely lost against Daelin, because without Jaina Rexxar would be dead, and Rexxar played a big role in the war against Daelin.
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Theramore had to fall because it was a symbol of “look, greenskins are people too, we can live together with them!”. Surprise - that isn’t true, as anyone within their vicinity learns.
Theramore had to fall because the Horde Warchief was a xenophobic warmonger who stated multiple times that he would conquer the entire world for the Horde.
There is no debt owed here, everyone was needed to pitch in and make that plan work, so by the same token the humans that eventually comprised the population of Theramore should have been indebted to the Darkspears that buffered the Horde’s forces at the time, also the fact that there wouldn’t have been a Horde at all to aid against Archimonde if the Darkspears’ hadn’t kept the faction from starving when they first arrived on Kalimdor… and yet…
Daelin saw fit to attack the Echo Isles unprovoked despite of the peace treaty at the time. There is no debt owed here either, towards Kul’Tirans or the humans of Theramore; one was making up for the aggressions of another for primarily diplomatic relations.
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Blizzard oppressing and marginalizing the Kaldorei community, nothing different there. They hate us and treat us like trash, they probably wish they never made the race to begin with. No other race gets treated like this.
And yet Jaina helped Baine retake Thunder Bluff, and yet Theramore remained at peace with the Horde, until Thrall put a madman who wanted world conquest on the throne.
Daelin saw fit to attack the Echo Isles unprovoked despite of the peace treaty at the time. There is now debt owed here either, towards Kul’Tirans or the humans of Theramore; one was making up for the aggressions of another for primarily diplomatic relations.
Daelin attacked the Echo Isles with the Kul Tiran forces, not Theramore’s. As I already said once, Theramore wasn’t founded by Kul Tirans, it was founded by refugees from Lordaeron and the other northern kingdoms, even Quel’thalas, and it then got usurpsed for a moment by Daelin.
Also, there was no official peace treaty between Kul Tiras and the Horde (which the darkspears joined) after the end of the Second War. And if there was one, it was first broken by Thrall when he rebelled against the Alliance Internment Act and hijacked Alliance ships after attacking an Alliance town.
Even before the attack itself Theramore forces were Hostile in Kalimdor, having documented plans to attack several settlements Echo isles included, was besieging Mulgore and had spies present in the Valley of Trials…
Varian was jumping at the bit even before Garrosh came into power, and while I have no love for Garrosh, as many (potentially former) posters in here can attest, the Garry defense squad were not wrong when they pointed to the fact that resuming of hostilities back in Cataclysm was not just his fault, given the meddling of the Twilight’s hammer…
Theramore was not innocent prior to Tides of War… Nor was the Horde uniquely at guilt for the war kicking back up the first time around. Takes two to tango.
As for the alliance internment act; there were Orcs present -not- guilty of the acts that got their elders in there. Yeah how dare they desire autonomy 
Also, the Darkspears weren’t part of that event and joined thereafter. However, if guilt by association is enough to condemn them, then actually, the very first encounter Kul Tiras had with the Darkspear - or any humans after their exile from Stranglethorn - was when Daelin’s Fleet - pursuing Thrall and the Orcs at the time - invaded their isles and began attacking them in their home… By extension, humans are humans, and they already had good reason to hold a grudge against them; Kul Tiran and Theramore humans alike. Guilt by association.
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Yes, AFTER Garrosh declared that he would conquer Kalimdor for the Horde.
Varian was jumping at the bit even before Garrosh came into power, and while I have no love for Garrosh, as many (potentially former) posters in here can attest, the Garry defense squad were not wrong when they pointed to the fact that resuming of hostilities back in Cataclysm was not just his fault, given the meddling of the Twilight’s hammer…
Why are you bringing up Varian when we’re talking about Jaina and Theramore?
As for the alliance internment act; there were Orcs present -not- guilty of the acts that got their elders in there. Yeah how dare they desire autonomy
Except, you know, for the part that their autonomy caused Lordaeron to diverge its attention from the north to the south, giving the Cult a long window of time to spread the Plague in the north.
Also, the Darkspears weren’t part of that event and joined thereafter. However, if guilt by association is enough to condemn them, then actually, the very first encounter Kul Tiras had with the Darkspear - or any humans after their exile from Stranglethorn - was when Daelin’s Fleet - pursuing Thrall and the Orcs at the time - invaded their isles and began attacking them in their home… By extension, humans are humans, and they already had good reason to hold a grudge against them; Kul Tiran and Theramore humans alike. Guilt by association.
No. Daelin wanted to punish the Horde for their transgression. He realized that those trolls were allied with the Horde. So he attacked them. It’s simple. You didn’t see Daelin launching military expeditions against the other -neutral- troll tribes, including Zandalar (which was a rival as far as naval power is concerned), I wonder why 
Except that, as I pointed out in my last post, Daelin’s fleet -did- attack the Darkspear, their home on their islands, before they had any affiliation with the Horde.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akwxMHnSLXU 1:04
What does that have to do with anything?
Because if we’re going to bring into it why hostilities resumed, with Theramore being amongst those hostile parties, that the agitators for the war during cataclysm was not, in fact due to Garrosh alone… which brings me to;
Yes, after war was declared by the acting head of the Alliance at the time.
The sequence of events is important here, and it’s why I won’t accept any claim that the Darkspears in particular owed anyone in the Alliance anything.
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Except that, as I pointed out in my last post, Daelin’s fleet -did- attack the Darkspear, in their homes, on their islands, before they had any affiliation with the Horde.
Yes, and I was addressing your point about the darkspears IN THE ECHO ISLES, because again. And again, your point is moot, because the forces in those Darkspear Isles were from Boralus, not Theramore.
What does that have to do with anything?
With the fact that desire for autonomy, even if it has good intentions, is reprehensible if it makes matters worse for everyone except one race, and at the same time I proved how those orcs are far from innocent.
Because if we’re going to bring into it why hostilities resumed, with Theramore being amongst those hostile parties, that the agitators for the war during cataclysm was not, in fact due to Garrosh alone… which brings me to;
Yes, after war was declared by the acting head of the Alliance at the time.
The sequence of events is important here, and it’s why I won’t accept any claim that the Darkspears in particular owed anyone in the Alliance anything.
You do realize that Theramore was not affiliated with the Alliance when the war was declared, right? Jaina literally teleported Varian and his forces out of the Undercity to avoid a direct confrontation. Theramore picked a side only after tensions had already escalated and the threat Garrosh posed to the city was very much real.
Doesn’t matter what you accept or not. You can claim that Rastakhan is still alive or that the trolls did nothing wrong. You can have your headcanon. Doesn’t mean you’re not wrong.
Yes because all orcs were psychic and new that the Scourge and the plague existed and meticulously planned their escape with this knowledge in mind to screw everyone over, deliberately…
Makes a lot of sense.
Nothing I have said is headcanon. You’re relying on guilt by association and dismissing context, I’m banging on about the Darkspears being attacked by humans from Kul Tiras and how that could be used as an excuse to hold that against Theramore if I were to use the same logic. I’m trying to point out your double standard.
Regardless, I don’t have to rely on the Darkspear’s past encounters with Kul Tiras to point out that Theramore opened themselves up to retaliation same as anyone else in open war through acts I have already mentioned in this thread and them being involved in trying to expand further into the Barrens themselves. Therefore, no, neither the Darkspear nor much of anyone in the Horde should feel guilty about attacking Theramore in and of itself…
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Obviously we are talking from a meta perspective…
Nothing I have said is headcanon. You’re relying on guilt by association and dismissing context, I’m banging on about the Darkspears being attacked by humans from Kul Tiras and how that could be used as an excuse to hold that against Theramore if I were to use the same logic. I’m trying to point out your double standard.
Except it cannot, because again Theramore =/= Daelin’s forces. You can’t even mistake them for the same nations, because one wears green armor and the other wears azure/white armor. One bombed their huts while the other fought with them against the Legion.
If you’re being purposefully obtuse, then yes, you might blame Theramore for Daelin’s actions and ignore the difference between the two.
Regardless, I don’t have to rely on the Darkspear’s past encounters with Kul Tiras to point out that Theramore opened themselves up to retaliation same as anyone else in open war through acts I have already mentioned in this thread and them being involved in trying to expand further into the Barrens themselves. Therefore, no, neither the Darkspear nor much of anyone in the Horde should feel guilty about attacking Theramore in and of itself…
Aside from the fact that that was never my original point (mine was that Theramore still needs to be avenged), the only thing the darkspears shoudl feel guilty about (aside from attacking Theramore) is followed a xenophobic madman’s commands in the first place.