I have been playing two characters, this paladin and my druid, throughout BfA. I was doing most world content on both of them and I would raid with whichever I felt like/was needed more for the raid group at the time. It helped to keep the game fresh for me to be able to swap between three roles across two characters. If I got fed up with healing on the druid, I could go tank on the paladin. If I got bored spamming Starsurges, I could go whack stuff with a two-hander on the paladin.
For this last raid tier, I was looking forward to playing my paladin. Paladins really scale great in the last patch and I love the Lightâs Decree build thatâs now easier to acquire on Azerite pieces.
Then Corruption happened.
On my Paladin, I have a grand total of 1 corrupted piece, with the 6% Haste effect.
On the Druid, I have two Infinite Stars pieces, two Echoing Void pieces and a Mind Flay ring.
Both characters are fairly evenly progressed in the raid and have similar amounts of M+ done. The druid had some more bosses killed in the first reset but the Paladin does more PvP.
My original plan for the raid tier was to play the Paladin as DPS and have the Druid as a healer alt (I hate playing Holy Paladin). However, my âhealer altâ now sims at 10k dps more than my âdps mainâ.
It honestly feels like the game has chosen my main for me.
I like the idea of corruption. Itâs a fun system. I would prefer it was something more than random procs, but other than that, itâs fun to juggle your Corruption budget and have something else to think about other than slapping on the piece with the highest number. But the acquisition being completely random is just terrible. It honestly feels like the dev team has learned nothing from the two years of the Legion Legendaries. Replacing TItanforging with the current Corruption system is like taking one step forward, but two steps back - this is especially frustrating since it wouldnât really take much to improve on the system, the foundation is there. I mean, we learned to improve the random Legion Legendary system across two years, why couldnât we apply those lessons to Corruption?
Iâm not a big fan of another casino system on top of the other RNG layers, but itâs probably worth considering that corruption items are relatively easy to come by.
The weekly M+ chest contains a guaranteed one, as does the PvP chest (I believe). The raid has several weapons with guaranteed corruptions (all of the top ones, too). Other loot seems to have a 20% chance to corrupt.
Or roll a dh to play with even higher levels of corruption (few specs can handle the 60+ corruption outside of world quests)
Feels like a third of my drops corrupt and I ended up in a situation where I have to keep previous gear just in case I need to lower my corruption level for a moment (like PvP⌠Holy cow, why isnât there a CD on the tier 3 corruption effect ? Was running around with 70 corruption in BG, the clone just spawned 3 times in a raw in the middle of a fight⌠Yes I died)
One week into the corruption system and its the end of the world. I mean. WhateverâŚ
Iâve been way luckier on my hunter than on my main, but Iâm aware of the fact that weâve had the ilvl cap removed 6 days ago on M+. Hard to understand, I know.
We are in fact three weeks into the corruption system.
Ilvl cap in M+ has nothing to do with the corruption system because ilvl has very little to do with corruption scaling.
I never said the world was ending. I said the system has very obvious flaws that should have been immedietely apparent to people coming up with the system because they are the same flaws a previous, widely criticized and eventually improved system had.
I am more curious on how much corruption does your druid actualy have then if you have that many items, becuse if you do not use them then there realy is nothing to be upset about as of yet.
I have 3 items my self, had 5 removed corruption from 1, becues it would be horrible to use all of them due to how high the curroption is.
I am keeping total corruption under 40. I am playing Balance with the two Infinite Stars pieces on single target or priority cleave fights and Feral with the two Echoing Void pieces on AOE fights. I am not wearing the Mind Flay ring as of yet since I donât want to deal with the Thing From Beyond but in a couple weeks I should be able to add that in too.
You should never, under any circumstances, cleanse a good corruption effect. If it takes you over your budget, you bank it and wear it when you upgrade your cloak sufficiently. The cloak can go up to 120ish corruption resistance. You will be able to wear a whole lot of corrupted crap eventually, cleansing good items now means you are essentially disenchanting massive throughput upgrades you can get in a couple weeks/months just for some extra ilvl right now. Itâs not worth it, unless you donât plan on playing the game in a month or two.
ah cool, and nah the curroption effect I did remove was some crap one giving some + to vers or something similar, that I realy have no true need for. also a few low ilvl ones, that the dmg i would have gained didnt realy matter at all.
So instead of spending the time on the character you want, to gain the corruption you want / need.
You decide with the luck / RNG the other character has gotten and call that your main now without putting effort into your real main simply because of corruption?
Okay, sounds solid.
Did you also swap characters everytime the other char did get a +10 or +15 Warforged or Titanforged item?
I mean, we are a week into the patch and most corruption effects are really nice but they are also capped since you cant simply go around with OMG DURDUR 250 corruption and 7 corrupted items.
Put the time into characters you want to play and care less about neck levels or corrupted gear or other things.
Play what you enjoy and the rest will follow because you enjoy it.
I dont see how anyone is forcing you to play X or Y because of newly implemented systems.
My raid character has 0 corruption, my âmainâ has rank 3 infinite stars. I still go to mythic raids with 0 corruption, and alt raids with infinite stars.
Game, for my sake can do whatever it wants, but it is not choosing what character I play and where.
No, because a +15 titanforge would never, under any circumstances, account for 5% or 7% of my total throughput in a raid encounter. And some of these corruption effects are capable of doing that and they do that completely passively, without me having to do anything. In fact, in many cases a +15 titanforged item would be a downgrade to what I was already wearing because no matter what Ion Hazzikostas claims, efficient gearing is not as simple as just slapping on the highest ilvl.
Indeed, no one is forcing me to do anything. I could just as well cleanse all my items and go raiding on my paladin. But at this point, raiding on my paladin with a 10k dps penalty feels like I am doing a disservice to my guild. You might not feel this way, but when I go raiding with my guild, I bring my A games because not bringing my A game is, to be frank, rude to the other people in the group and inconsiderate of their time and effort.
If I go on my paladin and we have a sub 1-2% wipe on a boss, or we wipe because we missed a couple hundred k damage on Mautâs Obsidian Shatter phase⌠Those wipes are on me because I have made the decision to play in a subpar fashion. Because if I came on my druid and everyone, inlcuding me, played on the same exact level, that pull would have been a kill. You might not feel that way. You might be in your raid just chilling not even being flasked. You might not even be raiding anything for all I know and you have no concept of what I am talking about. But I would feel terrible in that situation.
Well, there are a few things that i can counter very easily but ill let them slide. (1 or 2% wipes dont come down to your personal corruption effects or the lack there off) Especially not since we are talking millions of boss health in Nyalotha.
And my point was:
Not investing more time in the character you want to play wont make it better in the long run.
Corruption and the different tiers they provide are a means to an end and i feel like they are the new way of nerfing content.
It is the whole Heart of Azeroth discussion again. Even low end guilds did require lvl 39 or 48 or whatever it was for the new raid tier so you could use the azerite traits as soon as you acquired them.
Although Blizzard was very clear that these traits and the HoA levels were meant as a catch up and to make content easier for the struggling guilds and thats why the final one is a straight up ilvl increase and increase in the traits.
Corruption works in a similar fashion.
Any ââhigherââ ranked guild on WoW progress might run with 50-80 corruption depending on healers / set up etc.
Where lower end guilds will probably ask you to run only ââmajorââ corruption effects with 30-50 corruption.
Leaving a character you like to play behind after 6 or 7 days of the new items being obtainable is just a really bad call in my mind and you shouldnt worry too much about it and just play whatever you enjoy.
The gear will come overtime, or did you expect to log in on 8.3 patch day, open your mailbox and find all the corruption you want or need for the paladin to be in there?
I run M+ on 2 tanks currently and one of them is getting the ââgoodââ tank corrupted items and the other one is dealing with some minor corruption items.
Yet this doesnt stop me from playing both and even favouring the one with lesser corruption because i like the playstyle more.
I do understand your sentiment and do not think that my guild did not notice my (lack of) corruption. But RNG is not my fault and guild, if believe, that it is my fault can bench me. Luckily my guild can make difference between random generated problem and player problem. My problem is my low neck (75 vs others 78-79), but 0 corruption is not MY problem.
I do M+, I do assaults, i do visions, I raid, but before falls the sky I equip item with âgain more haste of all sourcesâ, considering without said items my versa and haste are higher regardless.
So ⌠corruption is game problem, not my problem and I am not going to feel bad because I did not luck out. And if my guild feels I am responsible for enraged boss, then what am i going to do ? I could tank on my âaltâ with infinite stars, but being only monk they would miss out 5% debuff.
Corruption is as it is and I do not burden myself with it. Not worth it.
OMG new patch day and i dont have BiS items yet so i will get benched mentality.
Because that is simply not how this all works and how the encounters are designed or balanced in the first place.
So please, play the game and enjoy it and the gear will come.
IF the guild you are in, is benching you or not giving you a shot because: omg you didnt get good corruption, you are in the wrong guild.
No one is benching me. I never said anything about being benched. I am in an extremely chill guild ATM, I could pretty much raid on any character Iâd like. The bank alt might be a bit of stretch but I think I could pull it off if I had a couple days to prepare. This is not a problem of me being hard prohibited to play what I like to play. I played Paladin with a bunch of the same people in Dazar Alor. No one would call me out for playing my Paladin on progression. Itâs not that kind of guild. I would still feel sh*tty doing that though, because at this point, it feels like the wrong choice, both mathematically and socially, to play something obviously subpar in a group setting.
The guild kicking me or the raid team benching me is not the issue. Not having bis items on Day 1 is not the issue either, I never said that either. The issue is the acquisition method of corrupted gear souring an otherwise solid system and I have explained the issue multiple times to you already, with your only response thatâs even remotely on topic being âI could explain to you why you are wrong but I wonâtâ. Either you seriously lack reading comprehension skills and decided to just latch onto the thread title and ignore everything else, or you are only interested stroking your ego by playing Mr. High-and-Mighty complaining about kids-these-daysâ mentality rather than joining into the discussion with any relevant points.
We are not six days into the corruption system. The patch released on the 15th of January. We are three weeks into the system.
âJust ignore itâ is neither a tip nor a trick. Neither are snide remarks about feeling entitled to BiS gear for logging in, if you took a minute to read what I have written or checked my characters yourself, you would know that in the last three weeks I have invested equal time and effort into both characters and the amount of time and effort invested is not inconsequential, and yet the gap in power between the two characters is massive. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Not that Iâm being benched from my guild, not that Iâm entitled to bis gear, not whether or not anyone can play whatever they want, not anything else you are nitpicking or taking out of context or flat out putting into my mouth.
Please explain why we should not be putting emphasis on the corruption system. The system that is able to provide you with 5-7% player power increases via completely random chance rolls and is therefore magnitudes more egregious than Titanforging ever was and only comparable to Legion Legendaries in their release state. I am beginning to think you simply donât understand how the system works, I checked both you and your guild on Armory but decided to give you the benefit of doubt, I guess that might have been a mistake.
