Housing is endless content, like play with Lego, you build something and if you dont like it anymore, just build again something completely differnet.
Great job from dev team, looking forward to get into housing.
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If you don’t understand the difference between garrisons and player housing then I don’t think you’ll understand the appeal.
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What is there not to understand? Its the same basic concept your own safe space bubble. One is a mini-village the other one is a neighborhood with your own house. One was new in its concept and raised a bar, now take on top of that the oversaturating advertisement for housing and you will have expectations, if they are met is up to the individual.
Its a decoration simulator why are you out of all people happy about it? feel free to correct me but from what i understood you will unlock all decos from not just midnight/remix acms but from all the other ones as well. Which means acm wales will have this finished around 75% when it launches whilst the rest gets to chase the carrot on a stick. 
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It’s not remotely the same, Garrisons failed as player housing. It’s okay not to understand but because of that you wont grasp it’s appeal. Player housing is a customisable space that is your home, Garrisons were a hub with very little customisation and lacked even the most basic requirements to make it housing.
It has been explained repeatedly in this thread but you’re not getting it so there is nothing anyone can say to you to make you understand.
I think it’s safe to say this feature does not appeal to you. What I don’t understand is that you can’t grasp that others do want and will enjoy this feature. That it is another form of collectibles/customisations that will ever be evolving. People don’t just collect one transmog and never touch it again.
I don’t like PvP, but at no point do I stamp my feet and say it’s a waste of time and resources to have it in the game. It’s simply a part of the game I rarely take part in. But I understand that others do enjoy it and want to take part. And good for them.
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Never said it doesn’t appeal to me, i just said its not “entirely” new and completely over-advertised to the point that they dropped the info that you will be able to buy stuff in the shop for it before they said its going to be more than 1 raid. Don’t know why you are reading so much into it. Advertisements and already set bars + time passing technology evolving will always make you expect something.
Which is good, it leaves space for certain things to be added later and perhaps turn this into something more 
And hopefully it will. I was very sad in dragonflight when i couldn’t create some super awesome Icy protodrake or some nyalotha furorion like highland drake.
You don’t need to take part in it check eu and us battleground forums from s1-s3 should tell you more than enough.
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I have played on RP servers since classic. I have been in RP guilds and joined RP events.
I RP even in games like Europa Universalis.
As an RP player, midnight housing IS NOT for me.
Because you see, in RP community most people make or buy real RP costumes, cook RP food, do RP crafting, re-enact RP events.
Think medieval fair as an example or some civil war battle reenactments or tournament reenactments.
For a tournament, weapons and armour is made, people actually do some sword work, people actually build the tournament lists.
There ARE people, who just do play pretend, but those are mostly children, but even they can afford a toy sword or buy a stick.
Buying a doll house and pretending Barbie kisses Ken is not RP.
So I find it a very superficial take on RP community to think, that an RPer would enjoy going to their midnight house and PRETEND he is an alchemist in an alchemist shop, even tho there is literally no alchemy table there.
Thats not RP, that’s playing dolls
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You don’t speak for the entire RP community, because there’s a lot of us that actually enjoy having a house and just engage in social interaction with friends, or just spend time building that unique place that reflects their character.
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Nope, midnight housing is the only housing system with no utility/gameplay inside the house. It’s unique. Every other game have something to actually do inside the house, some utility.
Exactly what I said.
There are some people, who just sit on chairs in circle or in a chat and say “ I drink a beer smilling all knowingly”. That happens
But real RPers actually DO stuff
They make swords, they bake bread, they build wooden props, they re-enact fairs and battles etc.
Don’t matter if it’s lotro RP, or medieval RP, or civil war RP or whatever else.
Similarly, in computer games.
RP players actually RP a character in the elder scrollls: for example, they can RP an assassin by taking contracts (quests) and killing NPC’s.
Or they can RP a crazy king in Crusader kings by executing everyone etc.
In wow people in RP community RPed as for example an alchemist by making potions and selling them.
You can’t RP as an alchemist in midnight house, because there is no alchemist table.
Some people will be happy to say in the chat “I am making a.potion”
But that kind of doll playing is just not reflective of the whole RP community, sorry
So saying midnight housing is for all RP players is just not understanding rp
Sub numbers were released, wod had more subs, than legion BFA or SL, just to start with.
Also wod had a freakish sub peak on release, and there are rumours we are in another sub peak now before release of housing. If true, that might indicate people resub for housing now same as they did with wod.
Little do they know they are not getting a house, they are getting a level designer
I have a very expensive Sims collection, I have been playing it since first Sims, I will tell you right now:
Housing in Sims is nothing like housing in midnight.
If I place an item in Sims, it can affect Sims mood, or let Sims earn money, or let Sims improve skill, or let Sims socialize etc.
Massive impact
If I place an item in midnight house, is 0 impact. It’s just pixels
Yes, but transmog can be seen while you do PvP.pve or any.activity in the game at all. Similarly, you can summon your pet to be seen in most circumstances
Housing furniture is somewhere there in your house, far away in outdated zone, why would you spent your time going there, it’s useless?
Thus, transmog or provides value, since you always observe it on your character, and housing furniture is 0 value, because it’s somewhere far away in a place you have 0 reason to visit
That’s a myth for people, who have not played garrisons.
Actually, every activity in garrisons forced you to leave it or team up with others.
Want to run a barn? Find a team to hunt in open world
Want to get apex crystals? Go out to the open world
Want followers? Open world
Here is a portal room for you, to get to open world.
Want a specific merchant? Too bad, your neighbour has it, go to your neighbour
Want a music track? Too bad, go out to open world and farm it
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Wod garrison forced you to go to open world and team up with otherS
You know what midnight house will force you to do? Run mythic+
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I love how people pretend wow is not a private instance game, when all we do in wow is sit in private instance:
Instanced raid, instanced dungeon, instanced delve, instanced Mage tower, instanced torghast, instanced horrific vision, instanced arena etc
We are always in an instance, why do you keep pretending adding another instance of your house or garrison changes something
The misunderstanding here is thinking housing can be an exclusive feature for 10 people, who just want a designer minigame in wow
Housing is a massive feature, that hundreds of thousands of people resubscribe for. It’s a central pillar of any game it is in.
So it has to work for many, even at expense of not working for few.
Even though, frankly, saying that you will somehow be unable to play your design minigame, because other people get features they want, is obviously untrue and thus very sus
When a person says “I love housing, but I want for it to only work for my player group of design minigame enjoyers” my question is….if you like housing so much, why don’t you let it prosper by letting it appeal to other player groups? It’s just sus, sorry.
Basically, hundreds of thousands of people will resubscribe and buy midnight to enjoy housing, because they enjoyed housing in other games, and then find out…
It’s just a design minigame..not the flashed out housing systems other games have or wow had with garrisons.
So their next question is, wait, what did he just pay 50 EUR for.
THAT’S the real issue
People won’t log in, say “oh this feature is not for me, cool”. They will log in and say “wtf is this? Where is my crafting table? Where is my portal room? Where is my garden? What did I pay for? What is this doll house? “
Extremely realistic take
They failed so hard, people are still doing them, even tho all fun has been cut out.
But if you think garrisons were a failure, what do you think of midnight housing lol
Midnight housing has every drawback garrisons had: no racial choice, no zone choice. But it’s also small and as useless as a hat on Pepe
And it costs much more
So by your logic, housing is completely doomed
Agreed btw
In Minecraft you can build computers
In PTR wow housing you can sit on a chair. Don’t get me started on comparing them ty
A lot of people like Punyelf don’t understand what player housing is, and it’s completely ok, but that’s why they would not understand what’s the problem with midnight housing.
Most probably this comes from not playing enough games and over concentrating on wow, and it’s ok.
So what is player housing?
Player housing is a player-owned player-controlled peace of gameworld, where the player runs personal gameplay loops.
When you go across games, that have player housing, there are unique features and there are common features.
For example, almost all player housing has player storage. Midnight PTR housing is for example unique to not have player storage.
So the question, is midnight housing a player housing at all, is valid. It does not have, what almost every other game has.
Some common features very present in other games, are crafting facilities. Do we have that in midnight housing? No.
So another reason to doubt midnight housing is a housing.
Yes, midnight house is player-owned/player-controlled, but what are the personal loops to run inside? Blizzard did not include them, yet at least.
So if a person says, midnight housing is no housing, it’s a level designer, that’s a valid take.
If a person says garrison is not a player house, what’s the reason for that?
Is it player owned+player controlled? Yes. Does it have storage? Yes. Crafting facilities? Check. Etc etc.
So people PLEASE before writing something like “garrison is not housing” please think like for at least15 secs, this phrase drops the iq level of the convo to where it’s a crime
If you play other games, player housing in the form of a castle, is typical. Even player housing in form of a ship or even a spaceship or even just a car is common.
If you want to experience player housing in other games, let me link you, if you want, so you can play other games.
That way you will know, why it’s a problem, when other people, having played other games and having played wod, by the way, will be extremely disappointed , when they play what we witnessed in ptr.
It will take a year to sip in
And it will crash hard
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TLDR.
This whole conversation is moot, frankly.
Midnight housing is unique in that it has no gameplay and utility. It’s more of a level designer, than a player housing.
That’s the intention
Blizzard probably fully understand, that they are releasing an empty feature.
They just want you to pay for it now, even tho it’s empty
And then they will make you pay for it again.
You will be able to buy some gameplay /some utility for your house, but it will be 2% of what we had in garrison, and it will come for a price.
Something like a crafting table for 30 eur on a shop, or a crafting table for people, who bought last titan. Or maybe you have to do a month long meta achievement to earn it, so you pay for it by paying sub and wasting game time on farming it.
So people, who don’t want utility in housing - sorry, it’s coming, it’s just being time gated and released for extra charge, provided the game/housing does not crash and burn because of how empty and unfinished housing currently is
People, who want housing to have gameplay and depth, sorry, blizzard are a shadow of blizzard ,who released wod, so they are going to do like 2% of garrison, and after release, and probably for extra cash from you.
I hope, I covered everything. Thank you for your patience
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Same as building in minecraft.
Expression of creativity as both the goal and the reward.
I don’t think a large majority of wow players were waiting for it because we’ve simply been conditioned that content is never its own reward, but do not underestimate building/design games or gameplay loops.
Minecraft is beaten by killing the ender dragon but in general videos on how to make a pretty starter house tend to be way more popular
I don’t imagine it’ll have a majority audiance, but the core audiance it will get will be passionate.
Are those real RPers in the thread with us now?
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Good point, they are probably playing housing in MMOs, where housing allows them to rp
Computational minecraft is extremely niche, but even if you choose this very niche example, it doesn’t really change my answer of:
I’m not a housing player myself nor someone who waited/wished for it, but I’d be lying if I wasn’t impressed to the extend they’re making it possible, hoping they’ll expand on it and let us make smaller zones in the future.
Think a small cave to have an RP event in.
Nah is just an example of how Minecraft housing does not only build gameplay loops in your house for you, it allows you to build these gameplay loops yourself.
But it does not only allow you to build gameplay yourself, it allows you to build a computer, to build games on. Etc
In midnight house we dont even have pre built gameplay loops. We are not even at first level
So just please don’t drag Minecraft into this. Comparing wow midnight housing and Minecraft is like comparing a rock and a 3rd printer. Thank you
In this case it was just a vehicle for me to share this main conclusion, this sentance is really the only sentance of true import in my post if you ask me and the rest is just noise around it.
I disagree however, we can talk about other games, even entirely different, what they offer in abstract descriptions and how that overlaps with what this other game might be trying.
Like for example
Expression of creativity, which is possible with as little as pencil and paper.
You could repeat that until the end of time, but people who aren’t creative are never going to understand this. 
People without creativity need to be given tasks. Need to be given goals. Need to be given rules or instructions. They just don’t get it.
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This line if you want to just concentrate on it, is a philosophical concept, but this has not been done or at least people struggle to come.up with games, that did that.
Minecraft is certainly the strongest counter example as explained before.
So theoretically might be possible, practically it’s a first or near as much
Why? Because blizzard are being visionary here?
No. They just want to sell housing twice thrice multiple times
Now they will give us the character designer, they will sell us quests, dungeons and PvP later - to compare housing to the core game
Some people understand the difference between bread and a bread prop used in advertisement that’s all.
Some people would try to eat the fake bread.
It is what it is
What a bad faith statement. Trying to demonize those who see the creative potential in WoW’s housing system by calling them dumb. You are a vile person.
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I can actually hear you snickering when writing this bait
Pls dont spam my beloved Tahra