Ok so you can’t
So there is no reason for us to divide RPGs and mmorpgs since even the great Tah can’t give us an example, when we are discussing translating features from RPGs to mmorpgs
Case closed
You’re not.
You are off topic talking about loads of things that are not WoW, nor WoW’s upcoming housing.
And yet when I say 1 single sentence you don’t like, you accuse me of ‘spamming’.
You’re a hypocrite. Case closed.
Nice dodge.
But I have noticed, how you tried to say mmorpgs are completely different , and then immediately folded to show how.typical tah
And yes, I am spamming off topic, altho it’s of course is tangential,and if you could, you would understand how it’s connected to topic, which obviously you can’t, but dont worry.
Yes, I am spamming here in these last messages, but I wrote on topic before. But you have only been spamming contrarian nonsense here, no contribution
So? You are still not banned somehow, although you clearly should be
Im not sure about Dragonfall as most people when you say name your first Elder Scrolls will likely say “Morrowind”.
As for Morrowind.
I would dearly love ro see it, but I think its more likely to be fan projects. Having said that, no one knew for sure that there was an official Oblivion remaster until the literal last minute confirmation.
What did you think of Doom the Dark Ages?
I must admit, its my favourite of the reboot trilogy. The Slayer with his shield as an unstoppable juggernaut definitely has more vibes as something the demonic horde are terrified of and have no way of stopping for good than an avatar of Tarzan swinging everywhere.
Theres also something more “Doom” than kicking a stunned demon to death over simply stabbing it.
It of course got (unwarranted) hate for the soundtrack because of course Mick Gordon and id falling out (a case of he said she said, imo both are to blame) but the guys who worked on the soundtrack for TDAcdid a great job.
Whats the thread about again?
Oh yeah housing.
Well you can have houses in Skyrim and the Doom Slayer has a house so Im not completely derailing.
I haven’t finished the dark ages yet, and oblivion remastered I have not even touched, so I can’t pass the judgement yet. So far I still would say I prefer the original 3rd doom.
Bugger fall is huge, and there is a graphic update mode, but the gameplay is like Might and magic,which might be a problem…but…considering how many times they have relaunches Skyrim, why not?
Yes, that’s the point, a lot of games we are discussing, have a house. Some have different houses, for example last Skyrim, has essentially different house types, so it’s not complete derailment.
To be more on the topic, might I ask you, what do you usually do in houses in different games? What is your most favourite/least favourite player housing system?
I feel most housing systems follow the Skyrim model where you buy a house and then you buy decorations and it places them for you. You cant actually “build”.
They tried to let you “build” with the Homesteader" patch but even then. It was “collect logs for timber. Dig clay deposits. Make iron nails” and then it went back to “select these premade assets and we’re going to place them for you.”.
Not really how I visualise"building my house".
Doom eternal you just collected hidden secrets and unlocked something that appeared in your “house”, you never actually get to “build”.
If the housing system in Midnight does that then its really no different from any other “housing” feature in videogames, be it mmo or single player, where all we are really doing is unlocking premade assets that we have no real control of, even more so if we can’t place them where want.
“Hmm. Actually. I changed my mind… I don’t like my bed there, looks better here…”
Blizzard. Lol. Nope. It goes there and you’re gonna like it there
I really hope thats not how its gonna end up
You know, because of the weapons in the doom house, I felt it was more like a GTA house sort of?
I think, in Skyrim you essentially get farming houses (such as tundra homestead and golden hills), town houses(such as breeze home), homestead houses, which are a category of their own, guild houses(like the college room), shacks/cabins(like alchemist’s shack) and finally a loose category of specialized houses such as dead man’s dread, blood chill etc.
If you like to design, I agree the only choice, is homestead category and the customisation is still limited.
Their variety is not really in our ability to design, it’s in how they play, like logistics, functionality they provide etc.
But if you like to design, probably your favourite housing system would be in other games? like for example, if I want more design choice, I would go to Sims,for example, or like RPGs from the last decade like Conan etc. like games where you can really build
I think, in terms of building the rooms and the building, the external design, midnight housing will be average; it will be good in terms of interior design - easily on pair with modern RPGs and mmorpgs in terms of internal design.
But as far as building a library or a herbalist wing choice, as we did in Skyrim, that’s not happening apparently in midnight, because for example we won’t be able to plant herbs apparently. That’s what will be the main problem imho.
So like, yes we could not choose, where to place a bed in Skyrim or the choice was like place 1 or place 2 premade by the devs, but we needed a bed. We can choose, where to put a bed in midnight, but it’s useless. :))
So essentially we went from very limited choice, to Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum choice situation xD
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And that’s just from what I could be bothered to dig up.
You’ve proven my claim again that you are a hypocrite.
PS:
Why do you keep using terms I never used. I LITERALLY SAID:
Which is true. It is different in many ways.
Hence, they’re not the same genre.
And yes, they also have many similarities.
That’s all factual. And I don’t need to prove that by playing your trolling games. 
And yet you weren’t able to name one
Which makes your mmorpg/RPG statement completely hollow, as frankly the rest of your post.
You are saying something, but there is no actual thinking process behind it.
Which is why our conversation with you is always me having some fun at your expense, and you leaving, not before bumping up the topic tho
Thanks by the way
For bumping it up, it’s a good topic
You do remember, what the topic was about,or… do you?
Fun.
For my part, it’ll be a place to hang up trophies from various achievements I’ve completed. To others it might be RP venues. To even different players, it might just be a fun fantasy to always log out “at home” rather than in some inn or a random zone.
Maybe it’s not for you. I’m on an RP realm and I’m not even sure I’ll care much for it for that purpose. But I can see the value and fun others might have with it.
Honestly you just have to smile and ignore people who want to tell you how you play, what you play etc when they have no idea.
We are definitely on the same page Tah, that garrisons were not player housing. I can accept that people feel differently or that some feel it met their personal standard but it was just a base of operations.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved my garrison but it was a hub not a home. This time we get our own home and can actually customise it with various things we collect or make in game.
I know we both would have preferred a solo plot like some other games have. But at the end of the day we are finally getting housing. So I’m really happy for this evergreen feature.
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Then you probably both shouldn’t be discussing game design (both not knowing what player housing is and agreeing with Tahra are strong indicators you don’t understand game design at all). But it’s very sweet, that you guys both login simultaneously around 1 am CET to support each other with likes, it’s obvious you are very close 
But you shouldn’t be discussing design and certainly you should not be
telling other people how to play
Whether other people should have or shouldn’t have housing gameplay in their houses.
For example, if people say to you they want crafting tables, there should be crafting tables, it’s not your business to say to others, they should not have crafting tables
But I am happy, you are happy, that the shop remains an evergreen feature
If only we could also have an evergreen housing in the game
Unfortunately wow housing died with wod
You’re continuing the projecting, I see.
Not really surprising.
There’s no ‘our’. You are the cause I usually get fed up at some point yes, because you literally just troll and troll and troll and then for the hell of it, you’ll troll some more.
Sometimes I feel like indulging your stupid remarks, but usually I get bored or fed up with it. Mainly because you’re not even trying: It’s so obvious.
Funny you say things like this in a post without a SINGLE MENTION of the actual topic.
Let’s put this on your hypocrite pile, shall we? 
I’m still hoping that will be a future feature.
Seeing what ugly or just completely immersion breaking stuff players are already creating in alpha. I don’t want to see that. 
Guess I’ll have to get a plot where I can’t see anyone else’s creations.
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Talking to you Tah is like talking to a random text generator. Nothing you say is ever accurate or is on topic, and I am 95% certain you did not understand one single word anyone said
Just wait a year after “housing” release, and you will be able to find as many ghost neighbourhoods as you want
^ 100% accurate. Proven by yourself already numerous times.
Clearly you’ve not listened to how neighbourhoods work.
Which doesn’t surprise me, since you keep claiming some of the most outlandish stuff about this housing system.
Uninformed people can have an opinion too, sure.
But… Your opinion matters less than nothing. Sorry.
as an uninformed person, you clearly have something, tho I wouldn’t call it an opinion. But do go on
Then why are you desperately trying to contradict me at every topic? Like you don’t understand what I am saying and just post and hominem attacks, but still you are trying very hard.
Every time I write something somewhere about housing, there you are, generating text xD
Then you say you walk away, and 10 mins later you are back convincing me, that my opinion does not matter
I frankly feel like your my number one fan. You can’t really appreciate my opinion, because clearly if you say garrison is not player housing, then game design is above your head. But clearly my opinion matters a lot to you
Like here you are 2.30 CET messaging me.
Thanks I guess?
Not sure what you guys are even fighting over but damn its funny to watch! 
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I think, Tah loves me
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the point i think is to collect stuff for your house through various means. Just like we are out hunting for mounts and pets and toys now we will be hunting for decorations, i dont mind that i love collecting stuff. Atleast this is how i think it will be