Ret is not fine. We nerfed back to spot that we had before teh rework and have even worse pvp talent options… They should have left our self healing with leech on skills the same… Our left our dps unnerfed… Now paladins are like middle of the pack of single target burst… I think we even lower than that and are on bottom of melee with being tanky or being able to survive being main targetted it… We have zero escape… Divine shield is a joke with all the priests healers and warriors. and without Divine shield every other melee just crushes us.
Our self healing is such a joke that using is just a waste of time… But we have to else we less than 50% of the selfhealing a DH is able to do hhaha.
Ait bro. Not like we have 5 rets above 2.4, and only recently got 3 warriors above 2.4, one of them being Blizo, lmfao. Ret is bad into casters, but pretty much every melee is, except maybe DH/SV/Sub. Ret does overall well into most stuff because of the nature of their toolkit.
Its a 3 vs 3. Trust me most of the time there is a priest in your group haha. And if you do not wanna shatter the bubble thats oke. But after the bubble the paladin is just free target… When you main target a paladin his dps will plummet because he needs to use multiple GCD to be able to keep himself up even with a healer healing him. Meaning he does way less damage. Just learn to CC the paladin when he wings and he will never be a problem for you in 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3.
U cant have insane selfhealing, while having big armor from ur dusk and sanctified plates, bubble, bop, 1m cd on wall and vengeance shield. Not even DH has a 1m wall. If u had decent selfhealing there would be nothing better than ret.
We do not do well against DK’s and feral. Also the joke is most of the time if there is melee it is a DH haha.
And you talking about 5 rets being above 2.4 in Solo Shuffle… The place most ret paladins play because its the only place we are certain to get groups to play… Have you checked DH or any of the range classes?
They beat ret a lot. Plus you see less warriors in solo shuffle because they have it easier getting in 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 teams than ret. So they do not really need to waste time in Solo Shuffle.
And again almost every Solo group has casters haha. Learn to peel for your caster and you win easy. And if its full melee. With a DK you own paladins hard aswell haha. Just spec that shatter and make sure you pre cast it when the pala goes down haha. Trust me he will bubble when his whole team goes down. And if he does not than he is bolt or just plain bad :p.
they’re a bit obnoxious but i’d much rather see huge nerfs to balance and warlocks
We do not have a wall. Its a 20% damage reduction… and 160hp shield… Even mages are able to shield themself for 160 hp if the use their shield pre fight and the cooldowns comes back up after 30 secs. We have almost no healing now because of dampening and if a class has Mortal strike our healing is even more of a joke… Oh wait you have MS right?
And Armor haha really haha. We take 39% less physical damage when dus is up and 36% when its not… Thats 3% haha. That is nothing man. And our Sanctified is nerfed aswell. Really you talking about pre nerf reworked paladins… We got heavy nerfed while other classes got left untouched or buffed… Your problem is not paladins haha.
With decent selfhealing and our nerfed dps we aint that strong… Casters will still eat us for lunch haha. And the melee cast you just named will still be strong against us.
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Lol I just have to comment again… You really complaining about Ret haha. One of specs who has lowest amount of people above 2400… While you have specs with atleast 10 people above 2400 and some even have one above 2800 haha. People like you are with blizzard the reason the game has been unfun for retri to pvp for atleast 5 major patches… It seems blizzard loves to listen to people like you and venruki the moment it mentioned Retri cause the nerfs can fast and went overboard… And the mobility issue is still a thing… and nerfs on some spells because of the leech selfhealing is still there even after the leech heavy nerfing…
Revert wings burst to 2 minutes
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guys we have lvl 33 ret say ret is weak, we better not do anything yet. lets wait he hit max and tune when we have more info
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I mean, thats the option you choose. And if you are going to bring up lining, you can line most things that has a casting range in the game x)
You do know most rets uses Crusade which is 2min burst…
Then propagate the nerf to this spell so it goes to three minutes
You are much too kind for reminding me 
As long as you are not the one deciding balancing then its fine xD
We can all have our wishes and dreams!
Just like I wish I were actually amazing at the game! 
To say that the ret is weak is exaggerating, but that this meta to the ret is one of the specs that affects it the most, can’t be denied either. The ret shines against meles, just like the dk “shines” against casters. The difference between the ret and the dk, is that the dk has been nerfed so much, that even in its field it cannot shine as it did before, and it is the clear example of what the ret would be if it were nerfed. As soon as the casters’ power creep drops a bit, the ret will improve, but as long as this casters meta continues, which will continue throughout the season, we won’t see the ret very high. Still, there are better meles than the ret right now, like the fury, dh, and hunt sv.
Yes, but Ret needed thoose Big nerfs in PVP, it was too broken after the rework for that single reset atleast. I play Ret since Wotlk as my main and never was a ret that broken as after rework. Basicaly shuffles were RNG fest if you had multiple rets back then it was all about Which Guy would get crits, and if they happened nothing you could do to survive. Like Pre-nerf execution sentence i had 400k crit somehow, which did not even made sense as Thoose kinda Hits only happen in PVE content. Legion version of Ret was best in my opinion to this day, It had High burst and cleave/sustained dmg, But only autobubble as deff pretty much. So basicaly glass cannon kinda. But after Rework you pretty much had Legion Ret on Crack with Deff cds that made you immortal pretty much. I think Ret is Fine now, You still have 1m burst, as Crusade build i find lacking its not worth it, I do more Dps overall in PVP with 1m cd build.
Ret is the most most successful meele in solo shuffle yet people still claim it’s weak.
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It’s not weak, but people want it to be again.
Ret does extremely well into all uncoordinated PvP content, thats just how it is. If the ret goes hard on someone, he needs to get peeled off the target (disarm, defensive fear, something of the kind).
If you want to kill, his peels on the target need to be denied aswell in some shape or form.
Imo the clas does so well in shuffle simply because you can’t just tunnel any target throughout the entire game and win, which is the case for most other encounters, unless you face some reroller fotm guy that still doesn’t have his utility bound.
Before the rework the class was in a state where you could just tunnel the ret down until he ran out of defensives,and unless you did stupid stuff (as a melee for example) chasing the guy behind a pillar, getting hojed and blown up you would win eventually, unless you faced some cheese zug zug like retwarr.
TBF, have you seen the amount of boomkins and warlocks doing the same thing? And that’s with a much higher representation, just the usual forum shenanigans
It’s a joke, right? it has to be
No it’s not. Ret is the most successful and the most represented meele in the highest RSS brackets. Just check stats.
Well yes but Demo, Boomy and MW are just overtuned and should be nerfed. Ret is just the most successful meele in RSS. RSS doesn’t equal 3s though. Ret is universal and works with plenty of things but doesn’t have 1 great comp so it’s not played a lot in AWC. It’s still weaker than Boomy or Demo overall but saying it’s weak is a joke.
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