So... why "BfA"? Why THIS?

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This is a question that’s been bugging me since the expansion was announced, and now that we know everything that’s come from it, it’s even more baffling - why does BfA exist?

As in, why did this expansion need to be about another pointless faction conflict?

As much as you may want to relive the Horde vs Alliance stuff from the RTS games, this just doesn’t bloody work in an MMO. Both sides of the conflict are populated by players, so you fundamentally can’t ever have a clear winner. You can’t just tell “Jup, the Alliance won. Bet you feel like a right moron for playing Horde now, huh?” to half of your player base.

From the moment the expansion was announced - hell, from the moment BfA was agreed on internally by Blizzard - the war was destined to end in an anti-climax with no real conclusion.

Blizzard themselves must have been aware of this as well. Hence why - in this supposedly faction-based story - 4 out of the 5 available raids were Void and Old God themed.

So… if from the start the faction war was never going to amount to anything, and the bulk of the raids were going to be cthulhu stuff anyways, why not just make this a proper void expansion?

8.0 - Return of the Black Empire
Say the shock reverberating throughout the planet from Sargeras’ sword weakened N’zoth’s prison enough to finally let him break free.
Boom, we get a proper old god expansion for the first time, and both Azshara and N’zoth can get the billing they truly deserve, instead of getting wasted on one patch each.
You can still have Sylvanas do a bunch of shady BS that ends with her abandoning the Horde, which is pretty much the only thing we need to transition into Shadowlands.

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:woman_shrugging:

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They wanted a Nzoth expansion and link it to the next, but they didn’t wanted to say “Hey let’s make an expansion about the most scheming old god !” So they used faction conflict as a selling point altho 99% of the actual content was Nzoth and the old gods

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well for some reason ever since Wod it has been more of things are rewamped to some extent.

where wod was supposed to be the new TBC/old lore from rts games.
Legion again the new Wrath/ and old lore from rts games combined.
BFA again a little bit new Mop, combined whit some old god stuff.

they all have some similarities, where old expacs like tbc/wrath and even cata and mop, had all new stuff, exept Garrosh whom started in cata already.

from wod the lore has been combined whit the new expac all the time, and it makes things at times realy odd when they put in to many things in one expac.
BFA should have been 2 expacs realy, ending whit the faction war, and then new expac old gods, Sylvanas could have done what she did do, but her story would continue in shadowlands expac. what should be second expac after bfa, whit an old god expac inbetween.

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The horde are so bad at the game that they lose even when they win.

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BFA was for nothing… It started with sword in Azeroth butt and its going to end with sword in Azeroth butt. Alliance should just allow us to mine in peace~ maybe sword would fall out.

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Beta for Azeroth has had one purpose…

To test out as many different systems as they could for the future… while we paid to be the beta testers.

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Because they had to sell “warmode”

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War Mode is awesome.

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But BFA wasnt a faction war expansion.
it was old god,old gods,old gods,old gods,old gods,old gods.

This is our old god expansion,not faction war expansion

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Thats one of the problems… 8.2 and 8.3 could heat up the war to finally end it in Shadowlands prepatch where we all would die (again).

BFA gave us faction war that ended before it really started to hunt for fish people and tentacles that wasn’t even a threat.

N’Zoth should have his own expansion. Nalyotha should be a full-blown zone instead of raid. Other old gods that didnt die should return as final bosses in multiple dungeons. I am totally mind-blowing how poorly Blizzard pushed the story of this expansion :exploding_head::brain::exploding_head:

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I never said it wasn’t. What I did say was they had to sell warmode as a big factor in BfA to try and flesh out and sraw out this pathetic and feeble race war that has been bubbling for years now and because they clearly don’t either know or care to end it they just keep messing half heartedly with it, which is why they removed PvP realms and gave you warmode instead.

But as Jesi said. They dropped the ball so hard with n’Zoth it fell through the ground and right now is probably 10 minutes from becoming a huge pimple on the keister of Oz.

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No imagination dev team ? could be the answer :joy:

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I don’t know. I can’t figure out what they wanted to do with it. It’s all over the place.

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I had assumed it was to put the conflict to bed but with Tyrande it doesn’t look like they did that.

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Well It’s not like I am expecting a clear winner but in bfa i was expecting someone to dominate the other, proceeding with ‘‘next expansion new leader comes along to revive the old faction glory and he is out for blood’’ sort of thing. And this story actually happens but with night elves, which i found pretty weird because now tyrande story is now the most interesting one in the lore?! So tyrande gonna lead the plot now?! because she is out to capture the main villain of the story which makes no sense since anduin wants peace so he basically putting himself already out. So who the hell is the protagonist of the alliance here!

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But… Thats exactly what happend. Not only did the alliance’’ just won’’ we destroyed the horde.
UC Lost, true it was a costly victory but it was a victory.
Dazar’Alor SAcked
Oggrimmar Besieged
Darkshore Recaptured.
Stromgarde held.

The Horde lost. Big time. And thats okay.
My only issue with the faction war… IT WAS TOO SMALL.

Why only 2 Warfronts?
Why not more conflicts across azeroth?
Plagued lands? Silvermoon? Hilsbrad foothills? Gilneas? Perfect Alliance target, and yes its not quite over tyrande is still salty, and for good reason.
Besides the Worgen and Nightelves are not just going to forget this happend. We decided to work with the horde against N’zoth because it served our interests. We will fight with the Horde against sylvanas. but after that, the horde will pay for Gilneas and for Teldrasil. The 5th war will be the bloodiest yet!

The Expansion was too small.
The only true warfront, Stromgarde, was AWSOME.
The first few times… After that repetetive and boring. And it was way too easy.
Why not more warfronts? I repeate again. Hilsabrad, UC, Silvermoon, Plaguedlands, Darkshore but then proper not the crappy one we have now,

With a PVP Mode, With Difficulties, normal, heroic, mythic maby more.
It was just too small.

As for N’Zoth… Its obvious.
ITS NOT OVER. ITS NOT, I CANT BE! LET ME EXPLAIN!..

The Patch is called VISIONS OF N’ZOTH. Not Rise of the black empire. VISIONS OF N’ZOTH.
Its all a Vision. It has to be.
The Invasion in uldum and the Vale, a test, to test our strength, to test our resolve.
The Visions, A test to see how we would fight him.
The Raid, we where never actually in Ny’alotha, not for a second, N’zoth only appears to be defeated but not really. No no no, Us thinking we killed N’zoth, is perfect for the old God.

N’zoth will be back,
Azshara will be back.
And it will be right after shadowlands.

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Nope shes still the worst and could not care less about her hissy

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Lol i don’t know about you but i can’t think of anyone in the lore more interesting than tyrande? I mean you may not like the story over all but there is still one main plot that is the interesting one, she is that plot.

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I think if we never saw her again the game would be better off for it.
I think she will drag the plot down. I’m done with faction conflict after this expansion and I really don’t want her starting it up again.
Its not interesting to me at all. She is the least interesting thing in my eyes.