They are. You gotta be able to land a direct hit on them though. Wouldn’t want to smash the chandelier and your brand new Razer Naga to pieces now, would you?
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The fifth or sixth person down stated they weren’t a CE raider nor super into M+.
I didn’t even bother after the mess that was BFA beta and those bugs going live and the bugs that went live after SL beta that were reported.
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Thank you for your input.
I’ll put it on the stack with the rest of the ‘couldn’t give a rat’s azz’ opinions.
Because those players are closer to what I want out from the game rather than casual players that only do WQ but would want Mythic ilvl gear while doing WQ. There are conflicting views so I picked my side.
Oh for sure, I agree with that, the worst thing they could do would be to take on feedback from the Council then just ride roughshod over it, that would just kill anyone’s impression that there was even a point to the endeavour in the first place.
For that to happen, it has to be an actual discussion though, what I more meant is that if the conversation was only deemed valid if made between those people with say, a certain level of skill in one of the main demographics (Admittedly that is far easier to establish with PvE or PvP as there is not really such a thing as a way you can ‘grade’ someone’s RP as such, I mean there is, but it is much harder to define), then there would be elements of the -same- playstyle demographic that would fall through the cracks.
Let me try to explain it better. Let’s say the subject is PvP, and you just have people who are riding the top of the wave as far as PvP is concerned, and you only listen to them, and not someone who is mid-range, or even newly getting into PvP, that would be two aspects of PvP just not getting talked about.
The people at the top of the wave wouldn’t necessarily even -know- what the current starting PvP experience is, because it would likely have been a long time ago when they were at that level, so wouldn’t be able to have a meaningful input.
Equally, your people just starting out would only know about the current experience of starting out in PvP, and unable to speak with any meaningful input as to top level stuff. To get any meaningful input, you’d have to be listening the voices at both ends of the spectrum, and inbetween, to make sure you are addressing PvP as a whole, and not just one end or aspect of it, as ultimately that would be futile.
That’s more what I meant, if you see what I mean.
True that, especially if it is at a drunk party and you are blindfolded…never ends well…
But that’s my point. It isn’t meant to be about ‘Sides’. They should be getting representatives from all walks of life of the game. If they aren’t then what’s the point, Might as well have seperate Council’s for Mythic raiders, for Casual raiders, for Arena players, for WPvP fans, another for the RP’ers and lore fans (They usually combine anyway).
Before you know it you’d just have an incoherent set of forums, not a Council.
You have to have either a Council for the whole community, or else it is an exercise in futility. You see what I mean?
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I hate that you write such long posts.
But I’m also jealous that you can word yourself so well, because if I could do that, I could write reviews for records I like on the Metal-Archives.
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It’s why I’m hoping my posts are seen by all PvPers. I’m somewhere in between the sweaty arena-lord and the chill casual guy, I get to experience both worlds, especially since I interact with new PvP players / low skilled players frequently to help them out with their skill progression.
I’m really hoping though that the Council doesn’t turn out to be an echochamber.
It’s kind of my thing, I am something of the raconteur and tale teller in real life, I just can’t help it 
Give it a shot, writing stuff, like reviews is a learned skill. Sure some have a knack for it, some have to work to acquire it, It’s like I have a natural ear for languages, and find them easier to pick up, but equally I am absolutely unable to learn any musical instrument more complicated than a Triangle, whereas I know some people you can hand an instrument and they will straight away almost be able to play it…damned annoying! 
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Yeah, completely agree, it would be pointless if that is all it became, yup.
Well, I’m not very wordy in general (social issues due to autism, but I’m not uber extreme, luckily), so I have very hard time putting thoughts into words - which is why my postings are generally quite short. 
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I see what you did there!
Can really take your time with a review though, no need to post it till it’s done. Write, revise, think, write, revise, post. If it’s something you genuinely want to do, don’t let yourself stop you 
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But what if I have 200 records that I wanna review? 
Then it sounds like you better get started, the sooner the better 
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I’ll be done in 20 years.
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My point is that sure, HC raiders should get a voice too, I’m not that douche.
I also think we can’t please every single player so choices must be done, like :
Do we create mandatory content for raiders in open world content like Korthia or AP in previous expansions or do we simply cut such thing out of the game? Obviously, a HC/Mythic raider is likely to say that must be out, which is my side of the argument. I do think AP is detrimental to the game, therefore, it must be gone. So are borrowed powers, so on and forth.
Prosident made a well argumented post on that matter, since it affects every single player in a negative way from the most uber hardcore to the most casual. No wonder why SL has seen such massive decrease in active players subs.
I think many are in agreement that borrowed powers should just get yeeted somewhere. It was better with MoP/WoD. That was all OUR power, and the Legendary was from us playing to get said power.
Generic legendaries are IMHO more healthy than class specific ones because Blizzard doesn’t need to make further balancing, which could also end up having side effects like changing a build or make a spec literally unplayable without.
That kind of design and features does not belong in a mmoRPG, it would fit a H&S but certainly not a mmorpg.
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Yeah, legendaries in Legion would’ve been fine if it was only legendaries, and not artifacts on top of that.
They are busy