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I know I’m going to say something really unpopular, but you can’t fight against demographics, therefore nothing can’t fight against the shift towards the red faction.

So for the “pro faction barrier”, I’m sorry, but the question is not IF they’ll remove faction barrier but WHEN. And the answer to that seems to be SOONER rather than LATER.

Like climate change, nothing has been done and nothing is being done, so the issue can’t be fixed at all.

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at least 4 of them asain as well…

tbh 100 horde guilds isnt that many either…

who would of thought focusing on raiding as the only interesting thing in the game would result in people getting bored of it.

blizzard getting greedy and turning all their games into esports and competitive is the biggest mistake they ever made…

just look at how well they are all performing now…

nearly 50% player base loss… and its not stopping there … only getting faster.

they deserve every bit of this, for being greedy idiotic scum and taking the players for granted .

Yeah, only few alliance remaining: all the elven population is in the Maw and humans got demolished at Lordaeron :sweat_smile:
It’s a mess for the Alliance.

what I am gona say is to late now thought to implent, but should have been done in wod, was to dissolve horde and alliance as they stand now, and instead made two new factions, lets call them rebels and grand kingdom, where any race could have joined what ever side they so choose to, no restriction on races what so ever.
this most likely would have changed the unbalance becuse people would have had an choise to go whit astethics instead of what side is better.
could it have sustained the balance I am not sure of though.

Feels good to be alliance. Casually getting world first title at the end of the expansion 1 year later while horde players are sitting on each others throat to be in the top 100.

I’m not convinced it’s something they ever actually planned for or wanted to do. Blizzard’s stance has consistantly been that there are two factions and this is how it works.

Some people mistook the storyline for going in that direction but having played since TBC we have frequently ‘come together to face a common enemy’ and still never had a faction merge. I don’t think it was ever something they had thought of doing.

The faction divide is a getting worse by the season atm. Something has to be done.

actulay now looking back to wod, one huge thing that did start to make alliance dvindle was merc mode.
you se alliance had it first, becuse well they where bigger, so people used it, noticed horde wins more, this is fun, so they transfered to horde, in masses, combine this whit horde beeing better in pve also, alliance literaly died out.

merc mode should not have been implented, instead it should have been alliance vs alliance, horde vs horde or horde vs alliance, same as it is in rated battlegrounds.

Merc mode did not make the Alliance dwindle. I’ve even used Merc mode to be disguise myself as Horde and no one went flocking to the Alliance as a result.

around 3000 players on horde side got CE.
3000 from a 3.000.000 playerbase are 0.1%.
congratulations.

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that is exactly why i laugh out loud when people claim wow is heading the the right direction by focusing purely on raids content.

Then explain me why would it be bad to remove factions for the 1% ?

Did you completely ignore this post when addressing the issues?

Cross Faction is the solution, not trying to get a 50/50 split.

14 August 2021 (SL Season 2)

Cutting Edge
H: 89%
A: 11%

Ahead of the Curve
H: 76%
A: 24%

10/10 Normal
H: 64%
A: 36%

For M+ (Harder to compare due to new rating system)

2600
H: 86%
A: 14%

2400
H: 79%
A: 21%

2200
H: 75%
A: 25%

2000 (Keystone Master)
H: 71%
A: 29%

1500
H: 69%
A: 31%

Literally any key all season (3 hr +2 depletes incl)
H: 64%
A: 36%

There may only be 1% doing CE content but it’s affecting Normal, Heroic and Mythic Plus.

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Eh, the premise needs breaking.

They started down this path a decade ago in MOP and had a chance to embed it in people minds and drive the story from faction fighting to fighting something bigger.

But then in the last expansion through lack of imagination / vision they went all “azerite arglebargle /wave hand / reasons” and walked it all back.

It’s totally do-able and it could be done properly, but they lack the will imagination and :basketball: s to do it.

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The story telling is stale and no one stays at war forever. A lot of wars are over in a couple of years or less. Even the IRL WWII only lasted 6 years and when it ended the countries were united again.

WoW’s been keeping this nonsense faction war going on over a decade now. it’s like rotten food in a fridge.

Duration isn’t really an issue IMO, however it’s a fantasy game not real life but even IRL there have been long standing conflicts.

As for the story it has only ever been done to fit whatever Blizz want to achieve. The Horde should have gone to war with the Alliance when they Greymane tried to assasinate our Warchief in a time of peace. Nothing happened because it didn’t suit. There also is no real peace IMO, it’s just a short term truce.

As a Loyalist through BfA we had to watch Sylvanas let absolutely everything slide against her. It made no sense. We kept expecting some clever plot twist but none ever appeared. Depending on your perspective Baine and Saurfang are just traitors to the Horde and just seemed like extra Alliance during that expansion.

The Alliance killed Rastakhan during BfA which forced Talanji to take over, I can’t imagine she feels all too good about the Alliance.

Equally it makes zero sense for any Night Elf (or probably Worgen as Teldrassil was their second home) to want to be at peace with the Horde.

We have no control over the story, and we just have to wait and see where Blizz take us next. However I don’t really feel the merging/not merging faction is a story issue. The issue is the ever growing gap between between the two in end game and how it forces players to go Horde even if it’s not a faction they want to be.

I don’t think they’ll actually go for the faction merge but lets say they did, you would see a lot of people choosing racials (Alliance ones are stronger) and still be in guilds with both. You will end up with this situation where levelling you are at war with the opposite faction and then happy families at max. You can even kill each other in open world but still be in the same guild etc.

I think it’s more likely they’ll go for a kind of merc mode which doesn’t really do enough, those people still wont be able to join guilds together etc. They can just join pugs as a merc. It seems more sensible in random BGs because the aim is just to help shorten queues.

That is just my opinion ofc. Everyone has their own views.

So I’m going to rant and sound a bit harsh (even if that’s not my original intend) but I’ve been called a liar, a naysayer and that my words were hyperbole. Now that we have data that prove my points, all the sudden, I don’t see that kind of people telling me that I’m wrong.

Oh and it kinda prooves my point : finding an Alliance guild IS a bad game experience and I’m quite sad that nobody would believe me without witnessing the Alliance’s dire situation. I really wish people were actively playing Alliance before making such missleading statement.

Rant over.

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I don’t know who has called you a liar etc but you clearly feel some attacked you personally.

I do think if people cared less about what the 1% are doing we wouldn’t be in this mess. The more that moved the more it exacerbated the issue and it’s snowballed out of control now.

Regardless of how we got here, it’s just going to carry on getting worse.

I know what I did read and what makes me angry is that I know I was right, that’s why I’m feeling personally attacked.

And I did say that HC guilds were following along back in 7.3. And again, I was told that this only affected Mythic guilds. I really wish now people would be at least aware and stop saying that’s fake news.

It’s sad that even Normal raiding is being overwhelmingly Horde too.

Because the situation was recoverable back in Legion and it was time to act quickly. Blizzard did nothing and are now blaming players for such “players made issue” which in the end is partially true but that’s an easy way for not facing their responsabilities. They do have official data, so it would have been pretty easy for them to project how far mass exodus would have gone. Heck, even if I hate such option, they should have prevented players from both migrating to Horde and creating toons there.

I’m not defending Blizzard, but I’m not sure what they could have done. Racials are clearly not the issue.

I’ve seen the posters saying its hyperbole and the alliance is doing fine. The numbers clearly state otherwise. I already in february told about my hc/early mythic guild struggeling to recruit for CN. And i dont think it will get any better, sadly.