Every DPS spec is putting out wayyy too much burst. Heck even tank rune specs are pumping. P4 was the most fun PvP.
Please increase all HP or mitigation in PvP by a huge amount.
Also, increase healing. A single DPS can solo a healer, that’s just wrong.
It’s completly over the top atm, too many broken PVE set bonuses added in P5
Looking at you druids and paladins (I play horde)
Arcane and holy need their own PVP reduction that much is obvious
Star fall already strong - let’s add 25% dmg and range on a 2set
Starfire already strong - let’s add another 30% ontop of the already 80% and reduce cast and GCD another 0.5s
Seals already smashing - let’s add 2 seals in the same gcd
smart design…
while hunters can only do their full rotation when standing still see that is smart thinking, great for PVE very situational for PVP
lol no, if anything healers do toomuch healing compared to the damage that exists.
Just remove the significant penalty that is in place right now. Better to make incremental changes than go nuts and overshoot.
For anyone that followed these forums for a while and seen your replies regarding healers it’s clear you have no damn idea what you are talking about.
The moment a dps solos a healer with no major cooldowns used that healer is pointless.
The moment a healer loses someone before a 2.5 second cast finishes on a full hp target, that healer is pointless.
You must be out of your mind for thinking healing is still too high compared to the damage a lot of the classes do. That or you play exclusively ret and haven’t seen what playing a healer is like.
lmfao are you seriously just clowning again like you always do?
No major CDs from either means that the healer will survive. 25% heal reduction vs 30-40% DPS reduction, it literally speaks for itself that not nerfing healing with even more power is a mistake and should’ve been adressed in any way. Especially when a good majority of heals are instant cast and cheap as dirt.
Not a single player or class can burst you in proper PvP/Stam gear within 2.5 unless you play Shaman or Hunter. Stop the cap man.
Loads of classes just tickle any healed target or the healer itself.
nice generalisation, playing 4 different classes and the sentiment is still the same. Healers have way toomuch power in PvP, Priests and Druids in particular.
At this point this isn’t even trolling, this is malicious BS on your part.
Funny how you leave out ~7k dmg ret bursts during HoJ there. But I know, I heard it before from you, can’t be done.
Well you are either terrible or a piece of 
liar. Other rets are more than capable of such burst. Funny how it’s just Shamans or Hunters on your radar, no bias at all there from you. Your class should be allowed to delete people in a HoJ no?
And I wasn’t saying that amount of damage was from a single class. BG’s aren’t 1v1s or 2v2s helloooo.
Play against a proper premade that does any decent target calling and focus and see if you can keep anything alive even with cooldowns and instants, go ahead.
You play 4 classes like I am the president of France. Just because you sleep-walked some chars to 60 doesn’t mean anything.
Either way, go ahead reduce healing even more for all I care, it’s not enough of a show I guess. When the PvP in SoD will be played by all 10 faceroll droolers I’m sure you’ll be happy. Oh I know, shamans and horde racials will be there to blame.
Good luck in PvP with PvE sets. You are about 2.5-3k hp down. You are dying from literal cleave.
So… these sets ? Make you actually weaker. You can get the 2p, and for Boomies it can be valid, but 25% dmg on Starfall is 25% on a spell which hits 150-200 per star. So… you are not really seeing it. Its amazing for PvE tho where Boomies are getting a lot more out of SF.
On top the added range is actually hurting you. You want to get 3-4 people max with that Starfall to max pressure, not all 15 which eat less that 2 stars and it does not even go thru the absorbs.
And if you go for the next bracket of pve gear, then you are literally a glass cannon. And glass cannons dont live in PvP.
Also healing increase is not a good idea. Healers are already topping people super fast. There is no fix here. The fix would result in PvE being impacted, and Blizzard is not making a change for like 5% of the SoD pop which plays PvP.
Small edit, for all the people spamming about Rets. Yeah, they are not a bad melee, tho the melee kings would be Warriors, if not for Shockadins. So… you are kind of complaining about the wrong Paladin spec over and over. If you are going to complain and ask for changes at least be aware which specs are busted. Ret ? 100% not busted.
i am in awe of the fact ret andy above is still not banned from these forums.
meanwhile i literally got a month off for calling someone a lemon and the appeal was denied.
“horde favoritism” btw.
Except warriors require proper support to perform at their best in group PvP. And the fact that anyone hit by Mortal Strike is literally unhealable atm when focused by the enemy team.
Rets on the other hand? There are 2-3-4 of them in just about every premade, running around hitting people for absurd damage and providing massive disruption burning pvp trinkets thanks to repentance and HoJ and opening up players to much worse CC like traps even if they survive.
A lot of rets seem to wear full PvE gear. There can be no rhyme or reason to the plays they make, they can even not focus targets and be very effective for the outcome of a battle.
And even if they die, the amount of disruption and damage they cause is enough that their teammates take advantage of that. Alliance hunters and boomkins are playing a shooting gallery compared to horde who always have to constantly move back due to being pushed.
You know we could increase healing in PvP by removing the aura that reduces it. Won’t affect PvE in any way.
It will make specs like Balance, Elemental, Hunters, Rets much less effective, which is why you see bias lord Wavé wetting his loincloth each time someone mentions increased healing. Wouldn’t want to have to focus a target with your teammates to secure a kill, gotta keep the faceroll fantasy going.
But I agree with the second part of your statement, PvP in SoD is an after-thought, not even the devs can take it seriously besides throwing some band aid patches just so people don’t outright global each other (hellooo PvP aura)
Playing SoD for PvP is like taking your date to a gas station “restaurant”. Yea, you will find food but you are doing it wrong.
been there, done that.
I remember when there was only damage reduction and no healing reduction - that was the worst PvP in SoD.
It comes off like you’re trying to play PvP healer in PvE gear or something.
literally any heal that knows what he’s doing in PvP knows to stack Stamina and play a low profile.
perhaps get some buddies to queue with - you probably get instant invites for premades as healer.
Having a Warrior with Mortal Strike and a tad bit of coordination is what wins teamfights.
Rets having a high burst is a nice reason to bring one along aswell otherwise Ret is kinda mid Tier in composition
Just like you said, been there, done that, makes no difference the kind of gear you wear when you don’t have a proper defensive cooldown.
You know what the best defensive cooldown is on a resto sham? It’s LIP or FAP.
Those are the only things that might will allow you to survive the typical cluster of 3-4 immune/unkitable droolers pushing their desk irl with their forehead from the amount of facerolling they perform. They might break off once you are so far back in your team that they can’t see their team anymore.
Don’t forget the train of pro no-scope legolasses and confused bear-chickens that follow the mob. Good luck keeping a low profile against a team using addons like battleground targets. As soon as I get in range to cast a heal I can see 5-6 red dots on top of me on the BGT UI, people know what’s up.
Well you just need the sets, the fact HP is boosted hard in PVP means the few off pieces with good stamina weigh heavily, just throw in a flask and you are good to go
Not saying it makes you the best there is in PVP but especially BGs doing high dmg is an insane benefit
Some classes have the abilties to negate some of the class cannon effect by either being ranged or having crazy defensive CDs like paladin.
So… the argument is in PvP when organized Warriors are op ? You literally said what I did in just a different way.
Guess it could happen, Ret is not bad at all, just not op. Iv been in a ton of premades, we maybe bring 1 if we cant find a Warrior or Shockadin. And no, iv never seen a good Ret rolling in full PvE gear, its pointless. You are losing 3k health, aka you WILL die very very fast. But again, Ret is good, just not op.
I meant the proper fix is not healing related. Its separating PvE and PvP dmg. Which means they need to do go from class to class and adjust things. Reduce X spell and leave Y alone. Stuff like that. This will never happen.
enough with this already, what pve gear? what pvp gear? rank14 is pvp gear for you? lionheart helm is pve/pvp gear for you? you’re pathetic
rets tier1+tier2 set obliterate players specifically because the tier sets skyrocket their burst do you get that or are you dense?!
and since you’re playing the ignorant lets link you a few videos
first the one you pretend to not see right here fresh on the forum
and then just another one from the many just a search can give you
h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NlZKHzrbnw&t=18s
I understand you are too stupid to distinguish between open world solo ganking montage clips and organized BG PvP.
In short Blizzard wont change anything, but if it makes you feel better ? Keep thinning Ret is busted, changes nothing for me.
That clip is also 2+ months old. Ofc he does not have pvp gear on since the PvE gear had more stats. The current PvP gear has been out for what… 2-3 weeks now ?
jajajaja i understand you’re too dense! again what pve/pvp gear? what pvp gear in classic? you obviously can’t grasp the notion that the way you label that gear is dumb
when did you see me ask for nerfs? i said time and again, rets are strong, they got burst and that’s it, the class works even if maybe a bit too well. and the videos prove it. that clip is 2month old, and the guy was bursting ppl like nothing?! so he got even better with upgrades! watch the damn videos from the other pala.
but you’re enjoying your copium too much.
and you know what? get lost already. with like
shows you’re brain needs some grease, the dmg AND healing aura is in pvp, if you adjust that, healing in pve won’t be affected
I learned a long time ago that arguing with classic players is pointless. You dont even realize how wrong you are because you misunderstand the game.
Blizzard wont change Rets, you will keep getting blown up by everything thats behind the Ret in PvP, and you will keep thinking its the Ret whos op.
Keep asking for Ret changes or adjustment or what ever it is you want. Good luck with it.
when was i asking for changes to rets? are you dense? how about you stop being lazy and use that xp% to level a horde char then go against ret, we’ll see how fast you’ll be quiet then
the clown who can’t see the difference between a dmg+healing reduction aura in pvp, telling me i misunderstood the game?! 
LOOK IN THE MIRROR! 
Lets look. Hmm… 2x Glad, 1x Rank One, multi HoTA in my prime.
And you ?
now ask for a refund, chop chop