Usually I buff up BEFORE the fights… And paladin is a juggernaut at team fights. Paladin is a insane TEAM SUPPORT.
Sure shamans can melt ppl. But paladins can support other ppl to melt.
Ally players rolling paladins to play them like warriors is the curse of ally.
Pally in any spec is better at playing defensive until the fight has turned in the allies favour, then the paladins can take more part in the killings.
only a complete degenerate or a troll can cry about retardins needing a buff, retardins r by far the most op class in pvp atm. i main ele shaman, and with tank rune active i die within a HoJ stun duration, enough said… enjoy it while it lasts, it wont be for long
This is simply not true.
You talk about versions of paladins that come later on in different WoW versions.
I’m playing ret on cataclysm and there I agree with you we have a better toolkit with Word of Glory being instant and move speed on judgements from 15 yards away + Cleanse dispelling slows. It allows us to catch up to our target without necessarily using Blessing of Freedom, therefore being able to cast it on our teamates.
In SoD none of this is possible. Using BoF on a teamate means you will not reach anyone since any teamfight is layered with hunter’s traps. We have no instant heals and being in melee range trying to hard cast on anyone is simply impossible, let alone ineficient given how little Flash of Light heals and ooming us in three spells. The only thing we can relliably bring to the table is a BoP every 5 min (I always use a macro at the beginning of a BG so I instant target a healer with it) and Cleanse. Cleanse being once again limited since it consumes a huge deal of our mana.
It was even worse during the damage reduction events when our burst became meaningless and we would oom by ourselves in less than a minute (30 seconds if against a team that spam purge/dispell you).
Ret paladin atm is NOT the support class everyone makes it to be. For that you can try to play holy with the Lamellar R7 gear to get 1k more mana and play 1h/shield but alas you become even more reliant on Exorcism, which doesn’t allow you to take Avenger’s Shield, Rebuke or Inspiration Exemplar that ARE great supporting runes.
There you go, big reason to why ally loses and complain about paladin is cause they use paladins wrong. What you wrote here now is 100% the reason why you lose.
I wasn’t talking about later paladin versions, I was talking about vanilla versions cause that’s the paladins I love.
Paladins are support bots with big bursts… That’s it, as simple as that.
Mate you clearly don’t play paladin.
I’ve explained to you why it’s not what you think it is and you talk as if you were the only one in the know. Get outta here, we don’t leave in your fantasy.
Use FAPs. What you state here is simply untrue. In all of the BGs I played there were Paladins capable of reaching targets. This is a you issue.
I did the opposite of your experiment and I found that all this screeching, whining from paladins on this forum to be mostly unfounded.
The factions are balanced to an acceptable level. It’s the losers who quit at the first sight of a challenge what ruins playing Alliance side PvP.
While leveling through incursions this has been the LAW.
As a disc priest with a paladin friend we did manage to kill the Mythical lvl 50 horde gankers but rarely did party members help. They’d rather corpse run than fight back.
If all this hysteria around Horde being favored, was true, we wouldn’t stand a chance in hell as lvl ~44s, no pvp trinkets and quest and dungeon(not raid) geared characters, against level 50 UD mages/priests, orc hunters/shamans and all the bogeyman classes.
Alliance at this point has been repeating the same lie for so long that it has become a creed. Yes there are scenarios where certain class/race combos are an uphill battle but this has always been the case, even in Vanilla, even in 2019 classic. This is how WoW has always been.
Skill and willingness to learn from mistakes is still the deciding factor.
Reroll another melee dps class mate. Playing a support class is clearly not your wanted style of playing. Reroll warrior or a melee hunter, and hope and pray to the gods a good supportive pally follows you
Yes, because they use BoF on themselves.
So you and your mate priest both level 44 won against a group of mage, priest, hunter and shaman level 50 ?
Send me a link to a video plz I’d like to see that.
So I guess you playing a warrior means paladin wasn’t for you after all. Too bad, looks like alliance lost it’s best ret paladin EU…
I rolled away from druid cause of horrible dps rotation. I went for horde this time around cause ive always played a ally and a paladin
I’m the priest, I didn’t claim we fought all of those at once. It was sporadic fighting, it could start as one hunter trying to gank us and then running away into more horde when he felt he was losing. Then it would turn into a 2v2, 2v3. Other times we would be engaged by 2 at once or 3 and we’d die if cooldowns weren’t up.
We did die a lot and we did win a lot as well. My point was this: it was almost always us 2 vs any horde that instantly seemed to tag along to help.
All the alliance ran by, some of them were immediately ganked as soon as we died but they wouldn’t retaliate or help at all even in future fights.
Also there is no video, who records incursion leveling… people would be more interested in seeing grass grow than that.
A paladin crying about shamans??? Now I’ve seen it all!
Once sod starts i though i will see patchnotes every week. Up this, nerf this.
Completely nothing week to week.
I still don’t understand the Horde mentality tbh.
I play both classes in PvP and there just isn’t a comparison in how strong Shaman is over Paladin, since this difference is the biggest between the factions, shouldn’t they compare?
Why is Paladin supposed to be a “support” class - whatever that’s supposed to mean, while Shaman DESTROYS any class in any setup.
I did STV with Paladin 5 man groups and barely scratched the 2k coins mark - lots of communication and effort put in.
Now I play shaman and my groups don’t communicate or work particularly well with each other and it’s 2k+ coins every time.
In Bgs I literally DO NOT CARE about any Paladin engaging my shaman, because he won’t stand a chance against this oppressive toolkit.
Yet people keep posting here acting all smug about how Paladins “just don’t know how to play”
Ridiculous…
Yeah me either, I have stopped sod pvp all together untill something gets fixed (if it ever does)
Only a maniac could enjoy beating Alliance basically every match, the type that gets a shot of serotonin when they are dominating other people.
Newsflash: shaman has always countered paladin. This was the case in classic 2019 and all the way back in 2004. Your class relies on buffs to perform. Shaman relies on removing your buffs to perform. You probably find yourself having problems with priests too, if they are smart enough to dispell you and bait you to oom yourself cleansing their dots.
Done 90k honor this week, not won 1 game. 100% premades atleast 2 5man groups. had four 15man premades today. Its just not fun and i dont see any alliance pvping for fun and only for rank.
I know you have queue buddys on horde, But the chance you get 3/3 queueu buddy premades like 0
shamans do not counter paladins, paladins counter shamans, if u go way of earth shaman goes oom first in a purge/dispell game… if u go shamanistic rage u 100% die within stun duration (ofc if both players r similarly geared and same lvl)… paladins can dispell all kiting atempts = u cant create a gap as a shaman (ele)… not even gonna compare enha to retardin since enha cant play way of earth anymore
None care about who’s best in duels, we are talking about battlegrounds. And shaman are way better in group fight, and group them with hunter and you get god duo in DMG dealing.
Same logic as 5 warriors has to be better than 4 warrior and 1 druid. For 1 warrior do more DMG than 1 druid. Not really how the game works.
If you die to a pally as a shaman, it is just a skillissue. You literally play a meta PvP class and suck, just like the rest of the horde. Imagine calling ret OP when in reality they aren’t.
Except it isn’t but stay on that copium.
Pallies can bring all the utility it wants, but if it only takes either a priest or shaman to nullify it then there’s an issue with horde having more access to offensive magic dispells.
Alliance got 1 offensive dispel and it is called priest.
That is not even mentioning racials that can just resist HoJ or other really good racials compared to alliance racials.
Or the mere fact that shamans get perfect runes in each slot compared to paladin who would have to actually give up damage or healing.
S k i l l. I s s u e.
I beat most paladins on my orc enhance shaman, thanks to grounding, orc racial and MSW. Literally shamans and horde players acting like kiddos who lose to one of the worst classes in SoD. It’s bloody funny. Horde mentality is an utter meme at this point.
Horde players suck and they are in denial, too bad the devs listen to those clowns over alliance.
(There’s a reason why Hardiness and WoTF were nerfed into the ground in later expacs, where as alliance racials weren’t.)