While I haven’t seen it personally due to focusing on leveling rather than reading the chat. Others claim that GDKP is returning to Classic Era, and whether we like it or not, it was inevitable to happen.
The purpose of this post is a call to arms to the Classic era community to stand in solidarity against the players who want to “Re-introduce” the culture of GDKP. If this culture is to spread then Classic Era will be a P2W game but with a subscription required and bots under every corner. You can see the Wotlk classic servers for reference.
While I highly doubt Blizzard will do anything. It’s up to us the players and community to stand up against GDKP advertisers by any means necessary, including the infamous mass report, witch-hunts, and so on.
Yes harsh and ugly methods but they’re nearly what’s left for us to protect the integrity of the game.
To those who want GDKP in Classic Era. Shove off and go back to wotlk classic servers. Keep that cancer there.
To Blizzard whom I highly doubt will be reading this with care, I have been inactive for a long while, not even buying DF or caring about it, and the only reason for my return was Classic Era. Ruin that and my sub is poof.
If truth is to be told. I don’t expect many will actually do something about GDKP, and my only hope is that we drive it back (Even a bit) long enough for Microsoft’s acquisition of ActiBlizz to be complete and hopefully change the management, support, and policies of the game with more seriousness in taking actions rather than having the players doing so.
tl;dr “I don’t participate in a piece of content so now let me explain why no one should and while at it let me promote breaking of TOS and harassment of other players”
Just calling you an epitome of “classic andy” can’t even begin to describe how vile you are my dude.
Call me whatever you want. I’d rather Need/Greed/Pass the loot and have someone in the party get it by luck rather than getting it by the power of their wallet. Don’t like it? Then remain in Wotlk and don’t play Era.
I fully realize how terrible the suggested means are, but it’s a necessary evil to ensure the GDKP culture and bots stay out of Classic Era or at least help mitigate them.
Sure right now it’s probably just one guy or a few trying to advertise GDKP runs, and they may not get a full party to begin with. But I ask you this: Is this going to be the case always?
Of course not. Some people will feel pressured to use their wallets to buy gold and then participate in GDKPs to get the loot rather than getting it by effort.
People buying gold = More bots.
and are there any gold sink mechanics? Absolutely not, so we will also end up with inflation in trade prices. Classic-Era will turn into a P2W game. What people usually sell in the AH for 1g will increase to 10g and then to 100g and so on.
Just see how things are in Wotlk servers. The servers of one of the best-selling expansions of all time are full of bots, inflation, and even more bots to the point people are leaving it behind. Did that stop some of them from not introducing the same culture that ruined it? Nope.
As I said earlier, mass reporting GDKPs is a necessary evil to ensure that culture does NOT ruin Classic-Era just like how it ruined Wotlk servers.
You’re very stupid to encourage people to mass report for no reason. It’s again TOS and can cause you and others permaban since it’s deliberate disruption of gameplay of another paying customer of this game.
I’ve successfully run GDKPs in Classic ( Bloodfang Horde), SoM ( Dreadnaught Alliance) and will start them on Firemaw alliance as well very soon.
Everything is about demand and supply.
I don’t like SR since your roll got the same value of player that’s wiping the raid, or is performing on 20% of your level.
I chose to run/join gdkps where there’s performance big factor for rewarding people.
Your concern about bots is also stupid.
On my classic realm - Bloodfang there were no GDKPs , just guild runs and SRs for about 1,5 year and game was full of bots anyway. So your construct is just dumb as you. Bots will come everywhere where the game is alive and where’s demand for gold.
A lot of people don’t have time to farm resources for good raids.
From what I seen in many logs people of era are very cheap on consumes, warriors rarely pop mighty rage pots, rogues lacking on thistle teas, mana users lack on major mana pots/runes. Guess why? They don’t want to farm endless hours to perform the best.
Thanks to GDKPs you can simply just raid log, get some buffs and buy the consumes from your earnings.
Why to go to war against GDKPs if people freely choose to join them? Are we in democracy? Or you’re dictator like Putin?
Buying gold is against ToS too
and let’s not forget about Bots themselves are against ToS, but I don’t think we can talk about that when they’re the reason you can get full loot, hm?
Basically, you’re going to re-introducing a bad culture because your wallet is big and don’t want to get the sense of accomplishment of getting the loot. Why not play Wotlk and spare us this nonsense?
Keep your economics outside Dungeons & Raid.
Definitely buying half the gear that drops does not impact performance. Poor new raider with good rotation got outperformed by a booster because they bought a lot of better raiding gear with GDKP.
Yeah, definitely a player in need of more gold than the other players will not encourage more bots, and it’s worse when Blizz is doing nothing, to begin with against booting.
It’s true there will always be bots, but having the entire game centered around gold even in raiding will get us even more bots.
I want to see Classic Era alive and healthy years later from now. Your behaviors will turn this into a Wotlk 2 with 80% of players being bots, market inflation, and only raiders with rich daddies or big wallets getting gear.
Guess what? A lot of people are lazy in nature. They can have 24 hours but barely do anything of worth.
If you’re looking for a better raiding experience then retail is for you.
Why bring politics to a gaming forum?
Bringing bad cultures into the game that are going to foster the problem of bots, forces prices to go insane high, and eventually bleed the game out of players is not appreciated. Classic-Era is NOT a P2W game. What you’re looking for is somewhere else.
The problem is that you think GDKP helps, but it only puts players who don’t do it at a disadvantage and eventually either forces them to do it or quit.
It’s somewhat cute and hilarious to see stuff like this. I actually had to log in here for the first time ever to respond to this absolute abomination of a post.
I used to be strictly against GDKPs too due to what I whitnessed as well as experienced in Classic. During SoM I raided with guilds that gave me nothing but grief. I accidentally joined a GDKP when my guild failed to organize a raid the 2nd week of Naxx (guildleader wanted to watch football…), and WOW was I surised! Not only did I get a much more close-knit, much less competitive and non-toxic community (highest bidder wins, simple as that). I also got significant amounts of gold every week I couldn’t afford gear or it didn’t drop. This was in stark contrast to all guilds I had been raiding with for the entirety of SoM, where some seriously underperfoming tard would get BiS loot based on the fact that he had been longer in the guild than me and had been causing drama and threatening to leave if he didn’t get more loot. Finally I could set some proper goals and properly aim for them without some semi-corrupt or poorly managed loot council holding me back. I geared up faster than I ever have before, and neither did I buy any gold (I proudly never have to this date, and going on 20 years now). I simply collected my “DKP” every week and saved up as well as chose myself how far I wanted to go on the bids. In other word’s you in full control as opposed to being at the mercy of the officers. I think it took me 1-2 weeks of waiting until I got my first big item!
Even better, and much to my surprise was the fact that all GDKPs was running on flat rates per raider rather than the toxic “ranked” gold share based on performance that you almost always saw in Classic. This is honestly much more fair and people would not be cut unless they did some heavy griefing in the raids, ignore instructions or didn’t consume properly. Another big plus is the fact that the raidleaders in both GDKPs I’ve raided with only took 10% cuts (incl. master looter). They certainly deserved more pulling close to all the weight and bringing extra consumes for the slackers that didn’t, all without charging exuberant prices. Sometimes they downright gave away consumes for free too! Does this sound like a toxic community to you?
Lastly, how in the holy flying fuak could you come to such a wheelchair conclusion that GDKPs will draw botting to Era? Botters are where the big crowds are, cause that’s where the big money is. There’s nowhere near enough players in Era to attract botters and goldfarmers. On the contrary a lot of us coming from SoM are bringing significant amounts of gold to shower new raiders with as soon the big items drop. There’s only good things to be gained by you guys, so please reconsider this poorly nuanced fearmongering.
It’s not about bringing politics. It’s just about being reasonable. U want dictatorship with foul play (mass report for no valid reason) I’m up for democracy and free choice.
If you think 1 GDKP raid would change whole game that’s not true. It may obviously attract some players that are not happy with state of raiding culture on Firemaw era. Since nobody ever complained about system that’s set up in my raids.
Our GDKP raid was the longest lasting raid in SoM in US/EU region . Last run of Naxx ( full clear btw) was at the end of November 2022.
Let us have fun as we’re used to. We all hate to be friends of officers/LC just to have shot at some decent gear. We all hate carrying idiots who don’t deserve anything than just scraps. Which is impossible to prevent in SR system.
My personal organizer’s cut ( as RL+ML) was always between 2-5% so nothing to gain big edge ( I never bought or sold gold as well) so we had big gold pots, big shares and also big bonuses for people that actually carried the raids.
Ofc we had some gold buyers but I would say it was minority of our playerbase. Even non gold buyers could afford stuff like thunderfury, ateish gressil, thc, kiss and many more bis items as many can confirm on my discord.
If you got general prejudice against GDKPs just fight it normal way such as providing quality endgame pve content with fair loot system that won’t hurt anyone.
a lot of gold is spent in every raid, no matter which loot system, especially in naxx.
after the arguments here would have to ban all raids. especially speed runs.
Your arrogance is not making it easier here.
I already reported your first spam in the ingame channels yesterday, and I will continue to do so. I doubt Blizzard will do anything, but at least I’ve done my part.
I am full frontal against GDKP, but I will not be mass reporting anyone or condone such behavior.
GDKP supporters are right in saying that it is not against ToS, so they are in their right to organize and carry GDKP runs.
However I also do believe GDKPs encourage gold buying, which in turn encourage bot farming. It is a logical chain of events. If people know they can buy ‘x’ item from a GDKP run by buying the gold previously with real money, they will. This is something we have witnessed during Classic at a massive scale, so you saying this construct is dumb? Really? You are being disingeneous here.
Also, last time I checked GDKPs do not produce any materials for the AH, no pots, no herbs, no nothing. Its just gold that may, (or not) be gotten legally. So if those players get that gold and go to the AH and have produced nothing but only have the gold, what is going to happen? They are going to inflate the prices to oblivion, hurting those that do not participate, as we have also seen during the lates stages of Classic. To paraphrase you - “supply and demand”. Lol.
I am all for being vocal against the organization of these runs, as I think they are a net negative contributor to a healthy and friendly community. Your idea of “modern” WoW has been tested in late Classic/TBC/Wotlk/Retail and its spooking away a TON of people. You seem to fail to understand this, so I am here to remind you, and I will, for as long as I play Era.
Nah, gdkp is the best thing ever happened to wow.
Reserving items can go to hell, losing every roll can go to hell too. Even if I can’t get items in gdkp at least I make some gold.
MAybe blizzard should hire a guy to actually ban bots or gold buyers, i don’t care.
I understand your concerns but I’m classic neckbeard. I never played wotlk, later phases of TBC or retail.
1 GDKP raid won’t do anything to era economy.
As I mentioned earlier on my classic realm - Bloodfang there were 0 GDKPs until late AQ40 phase and prices were insane of everything. Not caused by GDKPs gold buyers but mostly raid logging players that wanted to perform in raids.
Current era prices at AH are not cheap either so I doubt they would increase once we start our raids.
You would wonder but many GDKP enjoyers are heavy farmers and creating their edge by farming herbs/mats and selling them on AH to build gold edge over others in the raids. So era population might benefit from it as well.
Imagine calling GDKP a fair loot system when your rival on the loot that just dropped is none other than Mr. Gold buyer
The worst part of it? It’s more than one Mr. Gold buyer, and you’re left with the following options:
A): Find another party/guild
B): Buy gold
C): Quit the game
Maybe GDKP will not be as bad as it is right now if Blizz actually took a firm stance against gold buying & selling, but right now? It’s like adding mixing fire with oil.
Ah yes the typical: “It’s just one run. It won’t hurt anyone.”
Sure, today it’s 1 GDKP run
Tomorrow? 2
The day after? Maybe 3 and so on
The end results? Good job on making Era servers full of bots, inflated prices that nobody can buy without gold-buying or GDKPs, and with barely anyone around leveling.
I’m not sure how it’s hard to understand the same behavior that destroyed Wotlk and SoM and created a toxic gold-driven environment in it is even acceptable. It speaks about the greed and arrogance of the GDKP participants who will do anything to get guaranteed loot even if it destroys the game for everyone else.
Keep in mind there’s a reason why other MMOs didn’t adopt GDKP behaviors. At least the ones with a good population and healthy economy around.