Solo shuffle is the GOAT, don't push us into 3v3

TLDR: Solo shuffle should get gladiator mounts, and all the rewards tied to 3v3. If you would be so much against this, for whatever reason, I think Solo shuffle should at least always get a recolour, that looks as cool as the gladiator one. For casuals it would be nice, if we got some sort of “LFR-recolour” of the mount at some rating threshold with less details aswell.
The Solution is definitely NOT to try pushing us into 3v3 arena, because it’s simply not enjoyable, if you’re not already in the scene, and end of story. Solo shuffle isn’t full of jaded ego inflated 2010 gladiators, and it’s full of normal casual people instead, that just wanna chill, and play. Everyone in solo shuffle is responsible for his own rating, and the rating you have is a reflection of your skill, and it’s where you should be currently, unless you improve.

I think non-competitive rated 3v3 in wow is completely dead, and it’s a good thing. I remember in SL, when I first tried getting into PVP, it was the most miserable experience I’ve ever had in wow, or in gaming generally, ever, and it won’t change. It’s a closed eco-system. A lake without rivers, full of toxicity, and mud. Solo shuffle opened alot of new rivers, that were previously closed.

People think of 3v3 Arena as if everyone had full friends lists like twitch streamers, etc. but the reality is, that for a lot of people, or even most I dare to say, group finding happened in the LFG tool, not in your friends list, and it’s full of toxic opportunistic people, that will play a game, flame, even if it was their fault, and leave instantly. I also had good experiences, but only very little compared to the huge ego mountains, that immediately lash out. People in LFG always had insanely high egos, if they were high rating 4 years ago, and type “only LF 2.4k exp”, when they are 1k themselves with no achieves in the current expansion. Regardless of 3v3 arena being more deep on the highest rating, I think it shouldn’t be held or treated as something of higher value, since it’s simply ranked. 3v3 ladder is not an esport. The esport happens in tournaments, not in 3v3 ladder arena, and hence, one of the most dead game modes in wow pvp shouldn’t be artificially kept on live support, if it’s so unfun, and such a bad experience for most people. They can keep it in the game, and give it rewards, but I think it’s obvious, that solo shuffle, and soloqueue game modes are the only viable pvp solution for wow at this point. Solo Shuffle has been refreshing, but will you keep players engaged long term in wow pvp, once they have all their conquest gear? No. That’s why there needs to be some very high reward in solo shuffle, that people wanna work towards.

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To 0.5% of specs at end of the season 2.4 is way too low

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I don’t really care. I just wanna have the feeling in solo shuffle, that I work towards this mount, even if I never get it

You can work towards ss r1, what the difference if the goal is unreachable?

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I agree with you that they could do a mount for solo shuffle. Let it be an armored Legend mount of one of the other drake types (and maybe do a bg mount as well), as recolors are reserved for other seasons.

What i don’t agree with is to kill 3v3. There are still plenty of players that love playing rated with their friends, so why take it away from them? There are specs that only work in 1 or 2 comps, so let these players be able to do that.
It’s like removing raids for premade guilds because the majority does LFR raids.
Make the rewards equal in quantity, but different in looks/names:

  • Legend → Legend Mount
  • Gladiator → Gladiator Mount

Don’t force players that don’t want to play 3v3 into it and do the same for solo.
If any queue has low participation, either fix it with artifical inflation or shift rewards back to %-based cutoffs. Take league of legends for example. You are both able to queue premade and solo/duo with the same reward structure and people love it. 3v3 could also be changed to be a flexible queue, where you can queue alone, as a duo or a group of 3 and you get matched against equal proportional premade compositions (eg. 3 prem vs 3 prem, 2 prem + 1 random vs 2 prem + 1 random or 3 randoms vs 3 randoms). If you could queue this while beeing in shuffle queue it would also enable you to play the game while sitting in queue.

Both options, solo and teamplay need to be alive in coexistence with the same reward structure to provide the best experience for all players.
Also completly rework the LFG tool, it’s horrible. It would be so much better if you could post an inserate to look for a grp or players while not having to be online and/or be able to queue solo shuffle while at it.

The game could be this great with such low effort needed

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ye lets kill off 3v3 so the only form of viable pvp left will be casino bracket where you roll a dice every time as to whether you get to play something actually fun or have get locked into a 6 round game playing the most unfun **** comps like boomkin hunter / mage hunter or melee cleave mirrors that are just mythic+ with both healers standing max range behind their team until something dies because trying to make any play is effectively trolling your team

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remove solo shuffle bring solo rbg solo shuffle nuked arena into the same spot that RBG is in now

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I’m pretty sure that there are more that thinks like you and will continue to queue up for 3v3 instead of shuffle.

If 3v3 where killed off so easily perhaps people does find it more fun with a variety of different set ups than for example playing rmp 10 years in a row until they get gladiator.

Remove SS completely at leasdt for 3s and enable 4vs4 solo shuffle and remove all rewards from it outside title.

Problem solved, if ta rds want rewards they can do 4vs4 for casino title or actual 3vs3 bracket for proper rewards such as glad or enchants etc.

SS should never rewards any acheivment, elite,xmog.

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Completely awful take.

The people who prefer solo shuffle over premade 3v3 are:

  • People who are unable to make friends
  • People who are too lazy to make a group and find others
  • People who’s class is good in clownfiesta games, which are almost all shuffles and hate actually understanding the game and their win condition, and who would rather do their PVE rotation for damage or healing to win.

You cannot compare being on a voice call with people, having fun, coordinating your game to win with playing with random classes, random people who oftentimes sabotage your class’s win condition. There is NOTHING competitive in Solo shuffle. And the word competitive doesn’t just apply to 3.6k xp rank 1 players participating in tournaments. You’re competing with anybody at any rating to win in 3v3. It takes BRAIN USAGE to win.

One of the more realistic factors that drive away people from 3v3 at a decent level is boosting. That is something Blizzard should have addressed long ago, but refuses to since forever. Of course you are extremely unlike to win if you are a 2.2k experience player, playing at 2k rating, and facing multi rank one boosters or simply the same people playing on their 5th alt, literally steamrolling everybody. But that is because of the lack of inflation in the bracket.

Solo Shuffle inflated so quickly, that you oftentimes get very braindead games at this point even at 2.7-2.8 CR. It does not feel good to see people dying in the first 20 seconds because of low game sense, being at such ratings, but it happens very often.

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In world of warcraft pvp full of jaded toxic people

People, who have a life

People, who don’t rely on pug vs premade

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First, i agreed with a few points you made, but now you just sound like:
“i hate it, i don’t enjoy it, idc what other people think, it most gooo, waaaaaah”

pathetic take

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awww that hurts :sweat_smile:

u mean like make friends on a 18 year old game on its niche scene played by 1% of its playerbase on which people have made their connections and friends +16 years ago?

u mean like people who make groups and actively que into groups for 4-5 hour straight while running laps in oribos and the game was bad to play for them

ye u are right ur take was complete awful

im glad blizz finally has a better take tho as what u are holding out the candle as “better way” is the slow death of wow pvp everyone playing the game since vanil have been witnessing past these years

what they are finally trying to do is breathe air to pvp and make it more popular, anyone who thinks that is a bad thing is out of their marbles

its funny i dont even think of myself as above average intelligent person but i guess u need atleast the normal ammount to be able see big picture in all things

I for one don’t care if 3v3 dies. It is as op says a closed eco system where it is almost impossible to get in as a newcomer.

I don’t want to spend 2hours every evening sitting in lfg tool looking for players.

I come home hit solo q button and enjoy myself.

3vs3 is dying and it is its own fault. Premades have made the experience miserable for every one by boosting etc.

I don’t care if 3vs3 life’s or dies. I will be playing solo q from now on and never will q 3s or 2s

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far superior to 3s fotm meta slavery

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People with job that want to relax after work and not scream to the microphone*

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everytime i join with random people to voice all i hear is them scream to their wife :thinking:

seem to be heated argument of some

wish they would rather scream on the microphone, atleast they would be focusing on the task that they have joined in

ironically I see way more nerdragers and toxic ppl in solo shuffle than I ever did before LFGing 2s or 3s

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i dont see anyone i close chat and hide chat bubbles :joy:

its a must on most days when not on mood to read mordor