Soo what happened to the removal of class/race restrictions, Blizzard?

Because the Demon Hunters are the disciples of Illidan (except the few who became one, like Illiana not tied to him) and he was VERY picky who he would train
Elven supremacy, really
You don’t have to be a Night or High/Blood elf per see to train and undergo a ritual, but the technics, methods and traning is closely guarded by the Demon Hunters
It is an elite club and like a pizza cutter, all edge and no point.
The Demon Hunters are like the Dentists of the medical profession
If you fail to be a Warlock, you become a Demon Hunter

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Forsaken paladins and druids for me.

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To my recollection forsaken can ask the Light for assistance, but thry suffer unimaginable pain while doing so, so most forsaken avoid using the light entirely. This is why in lore forsaken priests are mainly shadow priests. I think we only have Alonsus Faol who still uses the light, but it harms him to do so as well.

In case of paladins it is slightly different as, unless the lore around it has been changed, paladins accept the light into their body and thus become empowered by it. In case of forsaken it would mean their body gets destroyed by the power they aim to wield.

Also correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t lightforged getting infused with light? That is what I remember from their questline. If that is the case then being a warlock isn’t really an option as it conflicts with the light witgin them. I think they were just given the class for gameplay reasons, as lore-wise I cannot see any lightforged sane enough to meddle with a power that corrupted their society.

I think the situation is similar to normal Draenei, though for them it is more the societal restrictions that would prevent them from seeking power through fel. They certainly can, but the consequences of that are likely an exile at best case, and summary execution in worst case.

This I say without taking anything from the draenei customization into consideration, as I did not do the questline. I do not know what happens in it.

That said I am in the camp who feels that some restrictions should stay in class and race choice, unless Blizzard bring a really good reason why a race can be said class that fits into the lore (for example how they solved forsaken priests.)

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The Light and the Fel are not mutually exclusive
(We almost had a Lightforged DH and you can’t get more infused wiht the Fel than Illidan… well maybe Lothraxion, the High Commander of the Grand Army of the Ligh who is a Nathrezim with or without a SL soft-retcon, a demon)
We have a nice little Warlock questline where the Warlock in question is a lightforged

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It isn’t the strict physical restriction more than the consequences of it. Knowing how fanatic the lightforged are I can’t see them NOT striking down one of their own if they use fel, more so if they summon demons to their side.

It is why I mentioned the exile/death part. Technically it is possible, but it would also make them a public enemy in their respective society.

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I don’t want all classes to be available for all the races.

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Depends
And could be explained
Know your enemy, even the Jedi studied the Dark Side and kept Sith Holcorons in their temple :thinking:
Or the USA emplyed those german scientist and utlizied their research
If you are fanatic enough it is not out the realm of possibility to god to honest belive the Light trumph all and every other force are under it and “inferior” just tools
Especially when the force in question was force that was the reason to form the Army in the first place and the Legion was so sucessfull the Army had a very hard time and almost lost
The Lightforged Draenei =/= the Army of the Light just a part of it, Xe’ra’s elite who herself ‘used’ or planned to use “demons and Fel” - Illidan and arguably Lothraxion
As Gellert Grindelwald said: "Für das Größere Wohl! (For the Greater Good)

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I was suprised when Earthen were announced with no Druid option because I thought that was the road we were going down for all races.

They have pala , shaman

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Here we go… Another zoomerfortnite topic from someone who hate WoW, the lore and the logic

Dh vulp
Dh gobelin
Dh gnome
Druide mecagnome

Paladin vulp goblin and gnome

Etc etc

When there isnt enough destruction there is always someone who pops for me lore and logic destruction of the game

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I have never touched fortnite, never will (I hate Plunderstorm even) am quite surely far away from the age-line of a zoomer. So thanks for your completely unfounded childish attack.

As with the whole “waaah, muh lore is dying” argument:

  1. Arthas made Gnome DKs (long before we had DKs for all races). He CHOSE to pick up Gnome bodies to make them into his “elite” forces and he certainly wasn’t hurting for bodies to convert.

  2. Pandas, Mechagnome and Vulpera exist.

Seeing this the lore’s internal logic has died long ago. It is up to you to make your peace with this.

Let’s take the DH since it seems to be at the center of your mind:

Illidan is a deeply practical and amoral person and leader. He has shown again and again that he will do whatever he considers sensible to reach his goals. He will make use of whoever he can.
I see no problem of him accepting other races into the ranks of the DHs if he thinks it will work. That is why his ranks are still filled with Naga and Broken.
Of course that also is immaterial since Illidan is no longer in the picture and the DHs themselves run the show and can do whatever they like.

In the end, any kind of combination is justifiable because Blizzard has long since made clear that the lore is merely a suggestion when they feel like it. The (previous) head writer barely understood the lore, had zero respect for past lore and did whatever he wanted to cleanse his undead waifu from the responsibility of her evil deeds.

What I want is simply justice. It should be my problem and my problem alone to justify my characters backstory, I do not need the rules set by the writers 20 years ago to limit my imagination.
If you cannot live without someone else telling you what you can and cannot do, that is your problem and not mine.

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While this is true, he never trained them to be DHs
It would have been logical to train a bunch of expendable Naga or Broken or even Fel Orc to be ticking time bomb to throw them against the Legion until no bodies remain to throw yet he decided to train his own (VERY limited) people and their close relatives, the High/Blood Elves
Clearly his practical thinking not went as far to give real power to the hand of lesser races

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Problem is with people who has no respect for minimum lore, asking for goblin DH or simply Any other race for DH, thinking they are in diablo or other manga stuff.

Demonhunter are former NE and BE from ilidaris, Illidan soldiers during burning crusade.

There is no demon hunter from other race, thats non sense

There is no undead paladin, paladins fight demons and undeads.

There is no mecagnome druid or gnome druid

This is impossible to be void elve paladin, void and light are absolutely not suitable.

“Lol saying the holy priest void elf”

Yes its also a non sense that they allowed to play holy priest void elf, i m just using void elf model for playing high elf.

The inside-game-logic must be respected

What next ? Dractyr paladin?

Engineering, thailoring, etc are jobs/works

Paladin, demonhunter, etc are classes, callings, vocation.

There is no calling for a goblin to be a demonhunter/paladin or a forsaken to be a paladin.

A human paladin who died become a humqn deathknight or a forsaken deathknight if the body is to… rotten

And some people want undeads, dead and rotten living corps to be paladin? So undead fight undeads with light, yeaah crazy

Or even worst : forsaken demonhunter

How is that even possible to endure demon hunter ritual without be an elve?

A goblin/gnome who tries the demonhunter ritual will die at 100%

Its exactly if tomorrow they implement true high elve and people ask for demonhunter high elves : non sense

The problem with your demand Raiten : there is no limit

If a player has a calling to be a demonhunter its normal but it doesnt mean to break the game for a fun momentum fad. Go night elve/blood elve

The game is 20 year old + warcraft 1-2-3 + books. There are lore, physics, logic and stuff. Its not because all of you guys have phone that you have to consider WoW as a random mobile game

Respect our game

I real life are you gonna wear your old and wise grampa with a pink flashy dress + shining stars and makeup on his noble face and bring him on the street in public for the fun ? No

Alleria cant go to the sunwell and you want break limits and allow void elve to be paladin thats litteraly mobile bombs

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You are at the same time acknowledging how the lore has been changed by Blizzard and saying that there is lore forbidding certain combinations. You realize that you are literally disagreeing with yourself?

Paladins fight EVIL, not simply Undead and Demons. Otherwise the Horde would constantly have to stop their Sunwalkers and Blood Knights from starting a civil war with the Forsaken.
People can be Undead and still follow a positive believe system, Calia, Alonsus Faol, Bolvar and the entire Ebon Blade are all Undead that fight for the survival of the planet. Hence there is no reason why a Paladin in life cannot be a Paladin in Undeath, just as a Priest can still be a Priest in Undeath. This the Lore we have.

Yes, there is that thing with Light being painful to use for Undead. A lore point from decades ago (that has never been mentioned again), but even then it said that it is not impossible to use the Light as Undead, it just requires strong believe and strength of will.

Why is there no Gnome Druid? Any reason why a Gnome cannot learn this Nature Magic? They are clearly capable of using Magic and Chi, so there is just no reason why they could not learn it from a Nelf.

Void and Light have been used in tandem for decades by Disc Priests. They even merge them into a single spell without the universe ending. Holy Priest Void Elves are the same.

Dracthyr Paladins might actually be coming with TWW. It is again just a matter of an individual receiving a different training.

You say the in-game logic needs to be respected. I ask, why would I? Blizzard does not respect it and changes it whenever it suits them. Why should I respect it just because it exists?

There is no limit? Yes. I ask, why should there be? This is a fantasy world with very very loosely defined rules that change whenever a writer has a “brilliant” idea. Why do I need to be limited when the limits are completely arbitrary and constantly changing.

Just because people like you are afraid of new ideas? I think not.

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Sunwalkers and blood elves are not undeads.

People can be Undead and still follow a positive believe system, Calia, Alonsus Faol, Bolvar and the entire Ebon Blade are all Undead that fight for the survival of the planet. Hence there is no reason why a Paladin in life cannot

Bolvar is no longer a paladin and He s undead

2 NPC’s magically build

Calia.

You re not a super hero like big NAMED of WOW and Cailia is an unique fact, a miracle.
You can agree, my dear, than all players cannot be a miracle.

Alonsus is a non sense character, human in the alliance, died and become a scourge slave then release and join forsaken and fight… the allianc.

You must now that in 2005, priest class was added in forskaken for balancing healing class opportunities in both faction. Was a non sense. an Undead can’t use Light

Void and Light have been used in tandem for decades by Disc Priests. They even merge them into a single spell without the universe ending. Holy Priest Void Elves are the same.

there is a different between “using shadow spells” and “be part of the shadow and using shadow/light spells”

void elves are void and void + light = boom

no problem for a normal human priest

Dracthyr Paladins might actually be coming with TWW. It is again just a matter of an individual receiving a different training.

You say the in-game logic needs to be respected. I ask, why would I? Blizzard does not respect it and changes it whenever it suits them. Why should I respect it just because it exists?

There is no limit? Yes. I ask, why should there be? This is a fantasy world with very very loosely defined rules that change whenever a writer has a “brilliant” idea. Why do I need to be limited when the limits are completely arbitrary and constantly changing.

Just because people like you are afraid of new ideas? I think not.

In the word “conservativ” there is “to conserv”

your woke vision has only plan to unify everything and destroy identities

Explain me where a goblin DH spot at level 1
Who teach him
Teach What
How
From Who

From former Ilidaris ? LOL

Ask you this :

Why since 2005 there is no gnome paladin, no NE paladins, no Dwarf druide, etc

Why? technically Issues? lol

Our Avatar, the PC is not actually run of the mill #2561773 grount or footman either you know

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You can’t fight alone the faction leader in capital, Mr.Foxie#223011

because you re not a super hero

Some people need to STOP wanting transform WoW into Final Fantasy 14

Champion, order hall leader, titan and old god slayer… yeah, how could I belive the PC is special
Must be the Arcwine

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with an entire raid group, not alone.

Did you slain Sylvannas alone during shadowland Mr.Foxie?

Halve the comments show that you are not even understanding what I am saying… not sure if you really do not understand my sentences or misinterpret them to make your point work somehow.

Not to mention that cringe “Woke” line. I got no idea how you made that connection and it hints that your issues are much different then what I am discussing here.

Yeah I think I will stop replying to you.

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Sorry, devide it by a dozen
You prosfully refuse to listen and accept established lore facts then go and argue with Erevien

Yeah, you are right
Not worth the time

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