[spoilers] 8.2 Rise of Azshara discussion thread

Well I dunno about that, I looked at none of the previews, but I did get the jinyusamurai dude to rank 3 and did the Ashvane quests that you unlock as a result.

You probably got the extra reset in like me by staying up at ungodly hours and happening to have the luck to see the patch pop. Getting to rank 3 takes two days if you do all three dallies twice. :+1:

Aye, Suramar was a BIG RETCONā€¦

Also, i hope Tyrande would show up finally, instead of theā€¦ Answer they gave. Something that really made me hate them andā€¦ nevermind.

Also, HIGHBORNE show up in Nazjatar, i hope? Instead of just Nightborne whom are from Suramarā€¦

At least Iā€™m glad we RPers can fill some of these holes with our RP, events and characters. But not everything.

Also Iā€™m thinking, with that Cinematic and all stuff, how the AD world will beā€¦ Will everyone choose their side now, either in Org or Thunderbluff, and stand against each other? I feel bitā€¦ Confused andā€¦ Donā€™t know what to do.

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That seems to be it, then. Iā€™ve finished all the dailies and my companion has only just hit Rank 2. Oh well, tomorrowā€™s fine. Just a minor annoyance.

I respect all of your opinions, I just want to tell you all you are WRONG.

Thank you for your time.

GIMME THAT ARMOR, WHY DO I HAVE TO SUFFER?!

I know 2 of 3 of my Horde characters will stand in Orgrimmar. My Orc is oathbound to the warchief, my blood elf prefers Sylvanas over the savagesā€¦ my troll is neutral and with the Hand of Zul.

As far as I have seen through the cinematics, only Shandris and a (few unnamed?) Sentinels show up on Alliance side. The Horde has Lorā€™themar Theron and Thalyssra.

And Shandris isnā€™t part of the cinematics Iā€™ve seen so far, only Genn and Jaina (:heart_eyes:)

Thrall owing up to his failure gave me some teary eyes. Cairne Bloodhoof will forever be best Chieftain!
Jainaā€™s meaningless ā€œWe are.ā€ howeverā€¦

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Can we start using ā€œJumping Jelliesā€ as a term for something fundamentally awful?

TIA.

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ā€œAnd now Thunder Bluff will burn. Just like Teldrassil.ā€

This finally confirms that Thunder Bluff stands with Baine upon his return. I myself was actually worried that it was just an oversight by Blizzard to put him there afterwards.

So much for pOpUlAr SuPpOrT.

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I donā€™t see why they would stand with the strange, undeath elf over their own high-chieftain? People really thought that?

I donā€™t know man, we didnā€™t see any of those people of yours cheer for Baine and co. Thunder Bluff wonā€™t even burn to begin with if Baine doesnā€™t go there, so heā€™s making them a target. Good guy Baine using his own people as a meatshield.

Yes, because she promised to destroy their eternal enemy once and for all. Seems realistic enough to me, going by history.

Tbf, they make good meatshields, and if they die they make good hamburgers :wink:

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She promised to destroy the Centaur clans? Thatā€™s nice of her :slight_smile:

Before I forget, thereā€™s atleast 1 Centaur a member of the Horde and two clans are allied with the Cenarion Circle iirc, so she canā€™t destroy em.

Eternal enemy? You mean the centaur? Quillboar? Tauren generally were pretty chill with Night Elves until the orcs rolled into town. Theyā€™re still largely indifferent at worst.

Hell tauren were druids before night elves per chronicles.

Iā€™m open to anything that suggests the two races were enemies outside being dragged in by overaggressive orcs or undead however.

Some people thought that was a totally plausible and reasonable outcome.

I donā€™t see a lot of people cheering for Sylvanas either. At least not after her demonstrating her horrible skills in warfare in BfA. The one fact here is that Thunder Bluff stands with Baine. So we have to assume they are up for a fight.

And yeah, I havenā€™t seen Sylvanas fight a lot of centaurs.

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You can all nitpick, but Taurajo happened, orcs were placed in internment camps and enslaved, etc. You know I mean the Alliance and it makes plenty of sense for the Horde races to want payback.

This is still an assumption.

And there have been tauren murdering humans (and allies) since vanilla. I donā€™t see Alliance races clamoring for the extinction of the tauren as a whole.

A few outliers donā€™t make the entire race.

Happened before they even knew the tauren existed and I donā€™t see how that applies to the tauren as a whole, anyway.

ā€œThe orcs invaded the Kingdom of Stormwind and burned it to the ground, so itā€™s only logical the night elves want revengeā€ is exactly the same reasoning.

Baine achknowledged taurajo was a valid target, if an unfortunate one. And the internment thing was conducted between humans and orcs. Night elves werenā€™t involved, and I doubt any tauren told about the camps would suddenly lump in night elves with the crimes humans committed. (The alternative of which was genocide of the orcs, sparing them is what caused Gilneas to break off in the first place).

While a number of tauren might well want revenge for taurajo, thatā€™s a far cry from having an ā€œeternal enemyā€. That and torching a WORLD TREE is a big deal for an extremely druidic race.

Food for thought. Iā€™d be surprised if the tauren were anything but supporting of Baine over a corpse that desecrates not only the dead if their enemies but now also their own people (undead tauren skeletons).

The Tauren were saved by the orcs. If someone saves me from drowning Iā€™d have their back too.

And I get that, but having someoneā€™s back and joining in on genociding their ā€œeternalā€ enemies, purely because they exist, are two entirelly different thing.

The tauren have always had the better ties to the Alliance (outside the blood elves?) from any other Horde race, and they do not share the bad history as the other races do, so it honestly would be weird if the majority of the Tauren race would be oke with Sylvanas murdering and raising -all- of Stormwind and any night elves she can find.

True. But itā€™s a bit hard to be sympathetic when that friend keeps picking fights with the neighbor you generally got on well with up to when they moved into the neighborhood.

Iā€™m willing to admit that right now the tauren and the alliance are enemies, by political definition, but thatā€™s not something the tauren appear to actively want or pursue. Itā€™s always them getting dragged in by orcs or undead.