[SPOILERS] Eternal Palace - New Cinematic

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I don’t get it. She didn’t look dead when stolen away.

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Yes.

Sure she could, but she doesn’t. You tell me if skypeing someone is the same as having them there in person.

BBEG’s arrogance being their downfall is a tried and true trope. You say you like “basic” plotlines like mechagon, but “arrogant wizard is arrogant and loses against plucky underdog heroes due to arrogance” is incredibly tropey.

looks at palpatine

N’zoth ressed her.

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PEOPLE PLS stop calling her dead she’s alive and well and a super babe.

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That’s right now.

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Or perhaps because she couldn’t use the Heart Of Azeroth herself… like, somewhat ‘backfiring’ if she would try to use it perhaps?

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Well she sure is dead to me.

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I don’t think she died at first. I think she fell unconscious. The half second before she jolts back to consciousness, you see her eyes twitch.

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I’m certain that she died.

Now Blizzard can use the “At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming.”-line with her when she next appears. :ghost:

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I mean, if she did die and was resurrected by N’zoth that’s only her first death. I don’t think her transformation into a Naga really counts unless Blizzard vaguely write it as being a symbolic death.

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She died twice, in theory. Not three times.
Once from Highborne to Naga.
And from Naga to dead.

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Its Blizzard we’re talking about; They literally retcon the stuff the put in the Warcraft lore books(chronicles) only to retcon it a few weeks later in a patch, and you think they won’t retcon the shizzle out of Azshara?

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I liked the cinematic for what it was; to be fair, I wasn’t expecting any twist and was just hoping for Azshara to survive. (Her final death being here, in a small middle of expansion zone would have been unsatisfying.)
Speaking of unsatisfying, Jaina.
I don’t dislike her as a character (though goodness, she’d be more interesting if she faced actual consequences for her actions from time to time… Like the Sin’dorei not wanting to collaborate with her!) but her presence here felt like a hair on a soup. Nazjatar, Azshara, it’s a tremendous elven story; Jaina have absolutly no narrative hook with it apart from being a mage. It felt incredibly unsatisfying, narratively speaking, to have her be one of the focus of the scene. Any elf character would have had a better hook with the story, and felt more interesting to watch. (I would even argue for Umbric, as both a descendant of Dath’remar’s exiles and a void user.)
Alliance Elf characters that would have been interesting here, by order of interesting, in my very personal opinion:

  • Farondis (for a relative “Alliance”)
  • Tyrande (bellow Farondis because I do not trust the writers to give her more elaborated dialog than " Rrr rrr u dead Azshara!")
  • Umbric
  • Shandris (like Tyrande, but without the story hook of having know Azshara personnally)
  • Alleria (below Umbric because the Void thing sauntered in her laps, she didn’t go looking for it like he did)
  • Any elf, including the player character.

It feels as off as Xe’na (Xe’ria? The naaru) telling “no one have ever suffered like Illidan” to a blood elf/draenei/worgen/forsaken/gnome/etc. after the guy just… Got refused by a teacher until he proved his dedication; how dreadful! The tone is just off.

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I like Azshara’s plan to be honest. She lured us to that chamber and made us use heart of azeroth on the locks in order to defeat her, only to end up playing right into her hands. So it makes sense why she did not drown us outright and took the heart for herself. She wanted us to witness her moment of triumph she was working towards for 10k years and to know utter defeat and despair.

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How the little piggies will grunt, when they hear how the old lore suffered

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How dare you forget the actual, most powerful night elf mage in the Grand Alliance and one that served directly under Azshara.

Archmage Mordent Evenshade of the Shen’dralar.

Imagine him, Magister Umbric and Prince Farondis working together to restore the ley portal network, to try and banish the curse on Farondis’ people, study her people’s usage of void magic and fight against Azshara.

High Priestess Tyrande Whisperwind could’ve had overall leadership, with under her direct command the generals, Shandris Feathermoon, Maiev Shadowsong, Jarod Shadowsong, Vereesa Windrunner and Alleria Windrunner and their troops.

Arch-Druid Malfurion Stormrage could’ve led a contigent of Darnassian druids, that worked to ensure Queen Azshara would not tear down the watery walls.

For the Horde side the First Arcanist Thalyssra should’ve had just as big a role as Lor’themar Theron. :man_shrugging:

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They’re dead.

If they removed the curse, they’d just become real dead, and not spirits.

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Which is apparently what Farondis and his people want.

So there’s that. Actually, now that the person that cursed them died, does that mean the curse is lifted and can the Highborne and Nightborne fight over the Nar’thalas Academy?

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But… but… human potential!

On the subject of the raid finale, judging by Jaina and Lor’themar’s dialogue, Blizzard lied again with “Wait and see, this is totally not MoP 2.0!” and it’s totally MoP 2.0. Just as predicted.

I never believed any of their “wait and see”'s, but I do feel for those who expected something less obvious and done to death.

Cue 8.3: Siege of Thunder Bluff.

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Did she actually curse 'em that way on purpose? I mean, it was the destruction of the Tidestone that caused it iirc?

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I have no idea.

I KNOW NOTHING ANYMORE.