Hello As many of you probably know, there is this great addon which shows nearby players in a list. However, I think critically about this addon as it also shows players who are in the stealth. I think it’s this class that takes full advantage of stealth, and stealth is not really meaningful.
I play rogue and have to say it is absolutely not great if you look at an opponent
for example a mage sneaks and this one likes sparks Arcane explosion, because he knows that a rogue is near him.
I would ask @Blizzard to make some changes to this feature in the API that it is no longer possible to see players in stealth.
You don’t need to worry, the idea that it shows players who are stealthed is an urban myth. It’s not true. Also the range recently got a hefty nerf 
This is coming from someone who hates Spy.
Edit: For clarity: You can detect someone casting stealth like any other spell. While you obviously can’t track them stealthed, in many circumstances you will know a rogue is nearby because you saw them cast stealth on the log. This is of course unfair, but not remotely as unfair as the myth that you can simply see them during stealth. That much is impossible to achieve via the wow api
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Oh who cares.
So i know you’re stealthed, big whoop.
There are rogues waiting for me everywhere I go and their 4 buddies are waiting behind trees.
Might as well give me a notification that says “you’re about to die”.
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Where exactly is the advantage?
It’s basically the same as a duel.
You know he went stealth, a smart rogue will wait for you to waste whatever to find him and open when he sees the opportunity.
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It’s just unfair, as you, as a rogue, benefit extremely from the fact that other players do not know that you are there and that is completely taken out of the game.
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Nothing unfair about it.
The fight is exactly the same.
Spineless rogues just taking up more topics instead of bringing attention to bugs that actually need fixing.
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Because it automates gameplay.
Without Spy, you need to scan the area to notice a rogue before he stealths, then listen for the sound or see him cast stealth to be notified that there is a rogue around (or indeed scan the combat log manually yourself)
With Spy, you get notified when he does that. The “outplay” listed above is done for you.
The duel scenario is irrelevant because of course if you’re duelling a rogue you know of his presence anyway. I’m talking wpvp here.
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Lets give this class stealth and a 1minute cc. Able to shat on anyone when in greens with White weapons when skilled.
Harrand explained it pretty well. Players no longer need to see a rogue for themselves, but get a message and the class becomes pretty useless.
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Still.
Where exactly is the advantage?
I know there are rogues everywhere.
The notification does nothing.
They reduced the range already, why are we still whining about something so trivial?
I’m sorry but this is just dumb.
Is it because they want to ambush people on low health with 0% resistance at all?
Someone get some hunters in here so they can share how fun it is to play a broken class in this discussion about something that’s between your 2 ears.
Enlighten me.
You get the notification.
What’s your move?
Pop blood rage, demo shout until you’re out of rage?
Then what?
Where’s the actual advantage?
If you’re unable to see how automating an essential part of gameplay is an issue, then I can’t really help you.
Rogues being strong is not an excuse. Mages are pretty god-tier, should I be able to use a kickbot against them?
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again, without the addon you have to see a rogue with your own eyes. With the addon you get a message that a rogue stealth has cast without seeing it yourself.
My repairs are automated and so is selling my junk items.
Quests are also automated.
Npc interactions automated.
Many more.
But a notification that says “hey a rogue somewhere in a 50 yd radius has gone stealth” suddenly is game breaking?
Come on guys…
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Repairs, talking to NPCs and quests aren’t related to wpvp.
Why aren’t we making a big deal about bigwigs for example? That automates alot? I’d suggest because pvp is not the same as pve, nor levelling nor anything else. In PvP it is in our best interests to be on a somewhat level playing-field (rich in vanilla ya i know lol)
Automating the gameplay of repairing all of your gear pieces is not an issue because it’s trivial gameplay that doesn’t effect anything. Automating detecting a rogue invoking stealth is huge because it negates their element of surprise; a key pro of the rogue.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to suggest this is remotely on the same level as repairing your gear. Hell, it’s probably even stronger than a kickbot because at least a kickbot may fail due to batching.
In terms of “fairness” in pvp, the only difference between a kickbot and spy rogue detection of course is that one of them uses the wowapi. I don’t think that’s a very good hill to die on however.
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This game does not have los mechanic - most outdoor objects are shoot-through.
When your opponent is not using spy, its pretty possible to use enviroment textures to play, hide behind them, camp behind them, cause camera wiev is limited and nameplates are 20 yards only.
With spy player can be noticed about ur precence even when looking in absolutely different direction, so ZERO awareness required.
Sun is hot, water is wet.
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What do you mean ZERO awareness?
I have no clue where that rogue is.
I still have to look around for him.
It has such a low impact for the amount of outcry i’ve seen on the forums, it’s just silly.
oh man but you know that you have to look arround at your Location and sometimes you know you dont have to look arround.
Would you look around for him if you didn’t know there was a stealthed rogue nearby?
Consecration, arcane explosion, many more things all-of-a-sudden make a rogue’s life extremely difficult if he wants to get an opener. If he plays well and stealths out of sight, and some brainlet’s Spy tells them a rogue is nearby and he starts exploding, that’s utterly unfair
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