Good point. I assumed it was random.
Are you guys still discussing what one can get away with?
Obviously you can get away with sync premades. Nobody gets banned for this.
Should you do it though? Hell no.
Epic BGs are a casual format. If you bring your fully prepared sync premade with voice coms and face clueless casuals, the resulting game is as one-sided and boring as you would expect.
Nobody enjoys this. The opponents get frustrated and feel cheated, your own team has nothing to fight after 2 min because the opponents have already given up and gets bored. 80 people join the lobby to have fun in epic bgs and 3/4 of them leave feeling annoyed and cheated. Thatâs poison for the health of the game mode.
What do you get out of this? High casual win rates that nobody cares about (that can also be padded by deserting lol), furthermore, a winrate above 90% just marks you as a sync-premade participant and is the exact opposite of impressive.
Shallow victories at the price of boring the majority of the lobby to death is what you get, congratulations.
Why are you so terrified of losing a casual bg? You syncers act as If the world would end if your team ever lost a round so you stack the odds so hard in your favor that losing becomes impossible, and by that you remove all the fun from the mode. Itâs really cringe. A game where the winner is decided before the gates open is not worth playing.
Just stop it and if you want to bring your friends, bring up to 4 and abide by the 5 man limit.
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Totally agree. Its pathetic what this game has become.
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Yeah, that is the whole point some people here vehemently try to deny
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I for one am not denying this at all, but taking the GMs answer as the proof that itâs not against the coc is just ignorant. And it annoys people by now. Even if Blizzard would officially state that âsyncing queues in epicsâ is not concidered cheating, everything Fistus writes here is still standing and obvious to the majority of people.
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Yeah, and I agree with a lot of points there. You and Elindir still have not answered my questions.
As far as I understand, the only thing it allows is inviting people from the opposite faction to your group.
So the only way for a horde player to play in the alliance (without mercenary mode) is to be invited by an alliance group.
Itâs still a mistake though. This game should never stop being about horde vs alliance, so I hope if anyone invite an horde player to the bg, it will be be transformed into an alliance character, as with the mercenary mode.
ahh. I assumed you just get into a random faction when you join.
If they do that, i think iâll be done with this game. Faction pride matters!
And world of warcraft is still an MMO-RPG game!
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I thought the same abt the cross faction change, you will be able to que with the opposite faction by getting invited to the group and it depends on the leader of the group on which side you enter the BG.
In this case itâs even easier for the epic syncers to make groups and certain individuals donât even have to snipe their âfriendsâ on the other side anymore with merc buffâŚ
Iâm also no fan of mixing the factions in general, the only positive thing I hoped comes out of it was, that it will be harder or even completely impossible for them to sync in epics.
The best way to kill Sync bgs is making anyone who leaves the queue a deserter. The number of synchronized BGS would plummet that way.
Crossfaction just ruin the fun of faction pride on my opinion.
https://ibb.co/NrHLhVk
A screenshot of my ticket from yesterday and Blizzards response to it. Now what? A completely different answer.
It is just not important enough for Blizzard to do anything against this problem. Can we please stop bringing up the same worthless GM response over and over again? Thanks!
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Doesnât say anything about it being illegal, against CoC, ToS, or a bannable action.
Have we forgotten about this again? â https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/is-this-cheating/356674/2
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Ok now for real start to read, he literally wrote in the ticket: âWe are committed to maintaining a fair and enjoyable environment for all players, and situations like this deserve careful attention.
Weâll take a closer look at this case and address it in line with our policies to ensure a fair and balanced gameplay experienceâ.
If you now compare these sentences with what is written in the CoC about engaging in any activity that grants an unfair advantage is considered cheating, then you donât need him saying that people get banned for it, it is just abt the principle that you cry abt no1 would say it is âillegalâ, but it is WRITTEN in the blizz CoC. 
Draw the connection and think for once.
And even if you dont want to believe it counts as cheating, take the part abt âfair and enjoyable environment for all playersâ, which is proven million times, it is notâŚ
Youâre just runing out of excuses, how you like to say it, STOP COPIUM abt your nonsense GM reply which was not only incorrectly written, it was also completely clear that this GM had NO idea whatsoever the stated problem was.
No, but it is again a wrong comparison, they write abt someONEelse, and not about a community with multiple groups.
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Since the dawn of time this has been a thing. They will NEVER ban premades. NEVER. They never have or never will. Thousands of forum posts on premades have been made.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
It is NOT about getting banned fml understand it.
It is about the non existent logic to defend it and stating it would not be against the CoC.
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I would rather know why you so vehemently defend a practice as lame as synced premade raids.
You donât need this in order to win.
Everyone looks down upon you for participating in them and is annoyed by you.
The challenge is non-existent and the difficulty trivial, but itâs impossible for your opponents to win no matter what they do.
You could easily win almost as many games if you joined with just one group, but then you get actual battles where you have to fight to win and proper PvP and not this perverse lopsided mockery. I join epics in groups of 2-3 players on average and still manage to win 75-80%. So can you.
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Not defending the practice per se, I have agreed (with you and others) that it brings imbalance and tends to be boring more often than it brings real high-level clashes (besides the community feeling, these organised large-scale battles are something unique that I have always enjoyed in Warcraft and can not be found anywhere else in the game).
It is more like I want to point out the objective truth that group-syncing has always been a thing in WoW, and has never been a reason to get banned. Why am I doing that? long story, has to do with some people denying that objective truth, telling others to mass-report and/or harass community leaders (yeah, I have seen that happen with my own eyes - people are abusing their status/followers for evil, that includes certain community leaders themselves, but also âstreamersâ and such). Partly I am doing this because of forum-fun of course =D
Almost no one can carry an epic BG with 3 players, some classes in certain BGs (Ashran foremost) can do that. Otherwise, you are super-dependent on other peopleâs performance, even if you want to take the lead and shout commands (which I have done a lot in past years - I even wrote an addon for commands). So⌠Na⌠sorry, but telling me you get 80% win-rate because 3 players premade is lunatic 
Maybe itâs because you play horde xD They have been used to zug-zug victory in most epic BGs. Anyway, I play small BGs most of the time. Epic BGs is no fun being at mercy of so many random players.
I could not care less. If you knew how people look down upon me just for playing Prot Pala in PvP. I know exactly those people ignore all other problems regarding balance in PvP when it does not affect them + some of them participate in other shady practices which âshouldâ not be done either. I could point at some people in this threadâŚ
But anyway: I agree that we all could have a better experience when stuff getâs regulated and balanced better, which includes shutting down group-syncing. People have their right to demand change, but donât deny the objective truth mentioned above. The best solution would be full cross-faction queues for random BGs. I fear Blizzard will not do that though - Cross-faction groups can now (11.0.7) queue for unrated PvP!
You can get away with it and reporting players for it is pointless. This much we can agree on.
Itâs still lame and unfair and diminishes the quality of the matches, so donât do it, even if you could. Just donât be a dick and keep the game enjoyable for everyone playing.
Itâs no lunacy and itâs literally true. You can ask Valdrakon who played a lot of epic BGs with us and frequents this forum. He can confirm.
You donât need specific classes, just a handful of players who know what they are doing.
Most players in epic BGs are just not that good. If you can point them in the right direction and you personally take care of important tasks like destroying glaives or recapping towers with your friends, thatâs easily enough for 75-80%.
Unlike playing in sync premades against randoms, these victories feel earned. Two days ago for example we joined as a group of 3 into an Ashran that was already started. The horde had 100 tickets left and the Alliance had 160 and was already attacking our boss. We fought back, managed to get the AA and backdoored their boss when we had 9 lives left and nobody believed in a victory anymore. You just never get cool moments like this in a sync premade. You win by a landslide and then nothing happens anymore in that round. Every single time.
In a full 5 stack, you could easily win up to 85% without syncing.
It also has nothing to do with Horde or Alliance. Thereâs hardly any difference in the player base.
The unpredictable situations that arise out of this randomness are the very thing that keeps epic bgs interesting to play. Otherwise, every round is just the same. Sometimes having a weaker team in the fight forces you to improvise with strategies and get cool moments where you snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
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That was surely not true âback thenâ.
I know what you mean with âgetting an earned victoryâ, but it became very unlikely and a waste of time back then when I gave up on solo queueing epic BGs. Alliance was always worse, horde won by zug zug.
When racials were changed and some good players changed back to alliance, these forums were filled with horde tears because the dynamics changed. Nowadays that whole thing (trying to carry headless chickens) isnât even worth my time. PvP in this game feels sad for so many reasons, me playing an F-Tier specc because this used to be an MMORPG and not a game where I am supposed to reroll to meta-classes like MW, Priest or Evoker.
And thatâs my whole point. It has been normal for the past 20 years. 