100% its a blizz issue… at the end of the day the information they spread doesnt change anything in game so let em cry is my method
That you could always get away with it doesn’t make it normal.
It has always been a very clear case of bending the rules to get an unfair advantage, blizz just doesn’t care enough about this mode to fix it.
It has always annoyed the hell out of everyone who had to sit through this and ended up being GY farmed by a premade raid.
Why do we have a new thread about the same issue month for month, why does the OP have 25 likes already?
People are fed up, man. That’s why.
The best thing anyone can do is not to be part of the problem and abstain from participating in sync premades.
Alliance races have powerful abilities atm and are popular among competitive PvP players, so that has shifted quite a bit.
Overall I would say the average team fight performance of alliance and horde teams is roughly equal in epic bgs.
The Horde definitely doesn’t win every round just on higher dps / hps alone anymore.
70% of being a good bg player is just being at the right place at the right time and prioritizing the right objectives. A well-played prot pala can have an impact.
By the way, nobody asks you to play alone, and syncing is also not necessary because the Horde isn’t as dominant as it used to be back in the day when you started playing in large premades.
You can bring up to 4 friends without bending the rules. More than enough to carry every round yet small enough that rounds don’t become grotesquely lopsided.
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Because crying is easier than actually getting good.
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I’ve led literally tens of BGs just by queueing solo, asking for lead and having people that listen to the commands. The rule of thumb is “direct the zug zug train where you want it”.
Once you do that and you have about half of the team who understand what needs to be done, you can turn the game into a stompfest.
In opposition, as I did before, premades don’t do anything out of this world, the games are still evenly-numbered, the premades have the strategy understood and execute it.
Stop the group queueing mechanism? Sure, do that. The 15-30 people that queue on a normal basis will queue alone and at least 10-15 will get in the same battleground and roflstomp the enemy. Because it’s about understanding the game’s mechanics, which most of the players (and almost 95% of the people complaining in the forums with a new thread every 2 weeks) do not have.
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Its about quality, not quantity.
Some premade players like you are really good at tactics while many premade players are lost on their own without a leader telling them what to do, but even they are more disciplined in obeying instructions when someone tells them what to do.
At any rate, the team that has a sync premade will always have a higher concentration of players who know what to do and / or are more disciplined at following instructions, thus they have a higher player quality every single time.
I remember what you did in that one round of wintergrasp offense with us where you made a run for the workshop and burned 10 opponents with a catapult, allowing us to take the base. Someone like you is worth more than 5 idiots who contribute almost nothing.
It doesn’t matter that it is still 40 VS 40 on paper, the higher quality of a large part of their team makes premades win almost every single round, and syncing is a way to guarantee that your team always has higher quality players than a randomly assembled team of solo queuers and small groups.
When all the quality players are concentrated in one team and the other team consists mostly of human NPCs, its a massive stomp, this is why the concentration of good players is the main issue and it would be better if both teams always had roughly the same quality of players. Therefore, splitting premades and preventing syncing is desirable.
If measures to prevent syncing were introduced, it would be much more unlikely that they would end up on the same side, leading to a one-sided match. They might even end up on opposing sides if teams were mixed, which would be very good because then both teams would have a good portion of players who know what to do.
Let’s be real, the majority of epic bg players are and will always be herd animals.
Good players like you should avoid syncing and direct random teams either alone or with small groups, otherwise you just get massively lopsided rounds that aren’t fun to play for anyone.
True, but no premade is doing anything that no one else can do. Is it bad to have many friends and wanting to play with them? If you’re this limited how do you choose? You pick the girls? The better geared? The better skilled?
After all, this is a MMO, and if people complain about others playing with friends, maybe they need to widen their friends circle.
Sure, I’m playing with premades, but 99% of the times I do it because of the banter and general fun vibe of the group, not for the easy wins. For all I care, we could be farming old raids.
To reiterate, premades don’t do any secret voodoo that’s not available to the majority of players.
And as for directing random teams, I’m getting sick sometimes and I’m putting off lead for a while, especially after being told banable things in the in-game chat by honor level 5-15 dudes while trying to lead. If they want to be stomped on, I can’t and won’t stop it.
Miss playing with you, those games were fun. Hit me up when you come back to epics.
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No, but you have to consider that bringing a disciplined private army to a casual environment creates imbalanced rounds.
I am in contact with dozens of duelist and elite RBGers / Blitz players in various guilds, communities and my FL. If I were to bring them all with me and queue as one big sync raid into epic bgs, it would result in a flat 100% win rate across 500 games.
500 terribly boring rounds where we win after 2 minutes and the opponents get farmed without a chance to fight back.
At some point you have to restrain yourself just to keep the game interesting.
Nothing wrong with that.
…However, if you do it in PvP, 40 players are facing an impossible task and half of your own team is bored because the difficulty is trivial.
Doing chill PvE is harmless. A.I opponents don’t mind if they stand no chance against you. Maybe you should do more of that if you want to spend time with your ingame friends in large groups?
The problem is to face premade raids on an equal footing you must pretty much run a premade raid yourself. Many players don’t like to play with 0 challenge. And unless you face another premade, which is very rare, your games against casuals will be trivial in 95% of cases.
I still do them occasionally, played 5 rounds yesterday in the afternoon. When I see u online, sure.
Forgive them, they don’t know what they are talking about and their opinions don’t matter. They are just frustrated and venting at the next person they can blame for the loss. That would be you as a leader, even when your calls were good and the team was goofing around.
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Who are you even?
I have a pretty good memory when it comes to bgs and don’t recall seeing any of your characters sticking out anywhere.
That doesn’t resolve the issue.
I have ticketed a number of time , specifically in regards to the Russian full premades that we now see every day in all random BG’s and Random epic BGs, Blizzard simply dont give a Sh*t about anything thats not PVE, they will ban people for leaving a mythic or que bombing, but they will happily let 10 to 25 players abuse the system to walk all over a random team
If they want to do Premade, great, go Premade in Rated and GL HF, stop destroying the lower lev BGS, just to make your sad, self esteem issue fade away for 10 mins
Oh and the guy thats never seen it, well, if we were allowed to post jpgs or vids on here i’ll happily post you 20 tomorrow
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I could say the same about you. Maybe we just play different hours, although I’ve seen you at the end of dragonflight in some Wintergrasps I think.
Difficulty is not always trivial. When the enemy gets a bit organized, they can pose a good threat. I also repeat what I’ve told to someone who complained that they got beaten 20 times by the same strategy: “if you’re beaten 20 times the same way and you don’t adapt, part of the blame is yours”.
But all in all, maybe the new changes to the queue system will break the queue syncing altogether, because there’s a high chance of making groups face each other (even if it’s 2vs1 groups, 3vs1, 2vs2, etc), so maybe that will prompt people to play less in bigger groups. I’m happy I’ve learned a lot about the battlegrounds from the others and I can apply said tips, tricks and strategies while leading 39 randoms or a group of 5 and 35 randoms.
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They should remove the Brawl since so few play it and make it so you can’t premade or even group in random bg. Then create a premade bg only for the elitist.
^ This is why I’m asking.
People that complain about sync premades in epics have not only all the right to do so, it also says nothing about their level of skill.
You are one of these ppl that act like, “you just have to lead the randoms, know how to “counter them” and you can easily win against the synced premades”, which is complete nonsense.
I don’t speak about leading randoms against another random group, or playing with 1 group of 2-5 against another group on the other side calling what to do, this I do more than enough myself.
But talking like making calls is considered skill and you could with some kind of big brain tactics win alone or with your group against 2, 3 sometimes 4 synced premade groups (majority even in voice) is just hilarious.
Because of this statement I checked your main and alts on check.pvp (updated), and your PvP ilvl shown, tells me that you don’t even have full Honor gear with your characters.
A look on your account and characters tells me you are some1 who runs more delves than actually playing BGs.
Alone for this I want from you to tell me at which times you play, join with me in epics until we face one of these synced groups and then show me how you lead against them, and show me how good you perform yourself…or record a game from joining to leaving in which you play with max 1 group against them which results in a win and not complete fiesta with the randoms.
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Nice you did your due diligence. However, the stuff you fail to mention are:
- I’ve been leveling 13 characters from 70 to 80 in the last month or so, for fun, did some korrak and maybe some bgs with a premade, that’s why they don’t have full honor gear. Most even have partialy timewalking or Dragonflight gear.
- I like to play many classes, even if my damage (or my skill) is not great, I do it because they’re fun. If you see me on my rogue, I think 90% of the button I press are saps and/or vanishes. That’s why I don’t bother to giga-gear every character.
- I haven’t touched a T8+ delve in at least 2 months and I think I did like two T1s a month ago. On the other hand, I’ve done at least 4-5 hours of battlegrounds and Korraks over the last month or so, to alternate with leveling.
Also, you need to revise your attitude, you’re not my boss to demand me to join you in BGs. Your condescending tone will get you nowhere, and I have nothing to prove to you, or to anyone else. The people that play with me know what I can do and what I can’t.
Enjoy being toxic and keep complaining rather than helping others to become good in BGs.
Happy new year!
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This just proves my point. Thanks
Exactly what I expected, then I would advice you to stop saying things like:
I don’t complain, I just tell you where you are wrong, if that’s toxic, that’s your problem.
Fun fact, I think I helped, taught and led more ppl in BGs than you and still don’t come here and say people should stop “crying” and get better at the game.
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your point being?
All I’ve said from the beginning is that premades are not doing anything that other players can’t do, but every fortnight, someone opens a thread, cries “start banning premades already?”, gets told with links that queue syncing is not considered cheating, proceeds to dismiss those things and the cycle of “hurr durr premades cheating bad” starts again.
I think some people (Jay) are just upset that they can’t be top of the meters anymore because they aren’t the only Gladiator in a sea of casuals.
I once again wish you a Happy New Year.
That you still don’t get it…
^ This, again, that you think people here are “crying” for nothing in your opinion and have the nerve to tell any1 to get good at the game.
And now even saying I am toxic because I started to call you out for your toxicity saying this sentence.
All you did from the beginning was defending something bad, and now for this argument the only starting point was your missplaced arrogance, which I explained to you already before, and now again in the first part.
Are you maybe able to understand the problem here, after I explain it now once more to you?
Why does someone opens every now and then a thread about premades and that Blizzard should do something against them?
Simple, because it is a problem for many people and takes away their fun to casually play their favourite content in the game, BGs.
Almost no1 comes on the forum after encountering once a synced premade in an Epic BG and makes a thread about it, mostly this happens after people encountering this problem for weeks or months and are completely done with it.
Only because you don’t see a problem in it, doesn’t mean that the other people here who do, should not see it as such.
And again a point which is wrong.
You now even bring again a ticket response or forum post up, in which it is clearly readable that the GM/Customer Support had ZERO idea what the problem is.
But luckily we have now another ticket response (which you most likely just ignored or try to overlook) that I can link you here again, from a GM that clearly understands the situation.
Not only does he say that it is a serious issue and deserves attention and investigation, no, he also says with it what you already could understand with a bit of logic thinking in context of the CoC, that it IS considered “creating an unfair advantage” and “disturbing a fair and enjoyable atmosphere in the game”, which is clearly written in the CoC, and with this against it.
This whole point also doesn’t matter, you just bring this now up because you try to justify your empty answers and turn the attention elsewhere.
^ Here, the ticket response, read and please don’t bring this nonsense up again, thanks.
First of all, I don’t care about what rating some1 has or which title some1 earned, I care for how some1 performs in the BGs, and when it comes to the forum, how people act.
Second, I am upset about the whole synced fiesta, yes, not because of any dmg meters, I play objectives and play to win (in 99% of all BGs I play), no, I am upset like most others, because it takes away my fun playing Epic BGs.
Here in the forum I am atm annoyed again, because you take the right to judge the people who have a problem and tell them they should get good at the game.
Not only do you play in comparison to me or many others here almost no BGs, you are also with your “opinion” and responses towards it, part of the problem.
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Listen here, buddy.
I got 2 friends who are new to the game, how do i turn towards them and tell them they need to find 20 other people in order to have a chance at wining the game.
Communities wont take them either, because they’re undergeared and poor in skill.
Where are they supposed to go ?
Battlegrounds is the beginner stages of PvP, i dont even care if you agree.
Since we cant all stop playing BGs , least we can do is simply not form premades.
The top complaint about WoW PvP is that it has long ques and no one is playing.
How do you expect to attract and keep people in it when you kick them in the balls the moment they enter the game?
You guys defending premades got no culture.
And though its a digital world, as in everything- without principles it falls appart.
I dont even think we ask for much? just be lazy and dont form premades above 5 ppl ?
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“Its not against the rules”
Blizzard says
Well, change the rules then.
Make premades fight other premades, not randoms.
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