State of Rogues

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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Lets talk about state of Rogues…
First of all… Playing rogue in SoD is most fun. I loved phase 1 when i melt stuff with Honed Darkwater Talwar. Toped DPS meters in entire BFD. In phase 2 there is great change about Mutilate from 60 energy down to 40 energy. Dagger Rogue started to be fun. Leveling was fun. Luckily i started at phase start So there was no problem get in to SM etc… Even if i had 0 aoe… I still toped DPS over the aoe meta specs.

But now rogue is like D-F tier same as feral. But atleast feral brings something to party. We offer only pure DPS… Or OT which sometimes you get unlucky with Parry/Dodge and die.

As Pure DPS class which dominates clothies in PVP we have nothing for party.

  • Our damage is decent (but other classes doing better)
  • We have only single target… Target swaps are DPS loss
  • We have nothing for party… No benefits we are just buff seekers
  • There is lot of us… Yes a lot of rogues most of them dont even know about Vanish, energy pooling, Chain CC… Just Smash mutilate like monkey and hope for crits.

Playing Rogue is real pain even with guild. Most time you don’t get place in raid because you Are just melee Pure DPS and they can have shadow priest instead.

In pvp… We have shamans, locks, paladins, priests which instantly pop imunity after you jump on them or just fear, you trinket and you get random stun.
DoTs from shadow priest still kill you even if you win :sweat_smile:.
Shaman is super tanky and ehna can oneshot you :sweat_smile: you can’t outplay him untill you commit all in with cds reset.

At the end. Rogue is decent class, really fun but Feels unsatisfying untill you oneshot undergeared clothie mage with 1,1k Ambush + 700 crit mutilate.
Rogue needs something benefitical for the party. For example:

  • increase group melee attack speed by 9% and their Attack Power by 3%
  • Gives Chance in party ranged attacks can proc Instant Poison
  • Increase damage of nature damage done by 3%

Also new rune Find Weakness.
Cheap shot or Backstab, Mutilate, Ambush critical hits actives on target Find Weakness for 3s which makes all Rogue physical damage pierces trought 100% Armor (effect decreased in pvp to 50%)

Sounds kinda op but everyone brings to raid anything. Even if we get only find Weakness … Would be great because we can melt high armor target’s which everyone would like.

Also for rogues and ferals… Just remove redirect. Is old annoying Burton to press. Make cp as personal resource because in this phase Is a lot of target swaps.

Also due to lack of aoe we need something for dungeons.
Rune Fan of Knives.
40 energy cost.
Scales with Backstab modifiers
Creates fan of deadly Knives which deals 100% of weapon damage to all target’s within 10y. Also they can apply poison.
Adds 1 CP… If they crit, they add 2 CP

We are currently forced to swap talents every single time.

Rogue is not worst… But compared to other dps classes He offers nothing.

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Rogues are trash tier now in pvp (the new pvp trinket don’t help), Shaman Spriest Meta locks etc. all dump on rogue…
Shaman are all wearing tank rune in pvp with twice the damage of the rogue, twice the survivability and twice the utility.

Rogues needs cloak of shadows, shadowdance and a tank rune like Locks /Shamans

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Talked with a few Rogues on reddit yesterday. All have unsubbed until next phase.

My sub runs out tomorrow and then im gone too. If devs dont want Rogues in the game i’ll just not play at all.

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Im currently focusing of farm gold, mounts, get some pieces of gear and max out rep. Not serious playing.
STV is just afk stealth in aoe group and Hope for boss and their kills. Fortunately my guildmates helping me a lot in this event.
But thats pretty much it.
Propably i make another Farming only character. For Profession mats because i have only my Rogue And 27 mage :sweat_smile: which i am lazy to lvl up.

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I think the solution is to give Rogues some type of buff that makes them wanted in raids. Something that can boost the sweat lords logs.

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Good. The less of you the better.

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Idk why they don’t want Rogue. I did Gnomer with my Guild even first time i god good parses. Especialy 95 on last boss… I was top dps.
Other bosses i was 2-3 top dps.
I have no epic crafts
I had shty legs etc…
Still i contributed a lot in to boss damage.
We killed everything on first pull.

Maybe ppl just encounters only trash rogues.

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It’s probably a specific build that does well or something.

I saw a random streamer on YouTube. simonized I think he name is, he seems to do very well in his raids.

Worth checking him out if you are struggling.

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I’ve actually been at this point in mindset for the last couple of days.

My advice given from the guild was reroll. GG

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The problem with this mindset on “I did really well in the last raid as a rogue”

Is a rogue brings nothing but damage. You have WAY better comps available. And because people are meta slaves they look at the logs and they see rogue super low down through the brackets and they instantly go “why bring a rogue, high armour and a SP fan do more damage and provide healing and stam buff and doesn’t get affected by the raid mechanics as much”

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I only wanna see rogues have more options than just Mutilate, like Backstab, hemo, ss

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100% that’s why I keep saying change the runes. Why is there no runes for bleed builds or armor pens for eviscerates etc

The only viable abilities for rogue is mutilate envenom GG

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ALthough for PVP rogues are fckin broken so would be a bit hard to balance this.
They can even 100-0 as a tank during stuns which is fckin ridiculous

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A naked rogue can do that to you in classic, nothing new

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Doesn’t mean its right tho

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At least everyone can trinket the stunlock now with the new PvP trinket

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Ye we can 100-0 everyone in a stun lock and everyone else can 100-0 a rogue in a global ROFL

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Stun lock rogues are beasts

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i mean peoples have to understand, that it is a difference, if the rogue openers on a pre raid no stamina guy, or on a stamina stacked guy

if you stack stamina to the teeth, a rogue cant kill you in one stunlock, or global you with just 1 ambush

Rogue is terrible in grp content like raids, bgs, stv event

The only thing what rogues is good at is in 1v1, but since Sod, other classes perform in 1v1 better than rogue, and also in grp content

The main reason why rogues are struggeling is, because of some tank runes from other classes, and also because of the stamina increase

if you increase the stamina, u will nerf rogues, and u buff high sustain classes automatically with it

everyone who disagree, and thinks that rogues are doing great currently, have no idea how the game works, and havent played pvp that much, or playing it in full preraid bis gear and only 1.5k hp

yeah we need something to escalado

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To sit in a blind and let them reset to be in stunlock again, doesn’t change anything.