I think we should stop seeing the vault as a goal to fill (unless you enjoy the activities) and start just seeing it as a potential cherry on top. People saying “man i gotta do x delves and x keys at level y” and being unhappy about it are enthralled by the alure or something they will find dissapointing at the end each time. Stop being cucked by the vault! Unless youre into it, but then stop complaining about it.
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As a M+ runner:
Absolutely not.
M+ barely give any loot anyway, one guaranteed loot a week is not a lot to strive for.
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As long as the incentive is to have fun and not to just “get gear”, i think its great. Im 610 and i feel im ok for the activites i want to partake. I do a couple of 8s because i wanna play with other classes too 
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What you ask for cannot happen because the Vault gives higher item level reward than the content that fills it up. If the item level was equal the situation would be better.
But an even better solution is to entirely remove the concept of the Great Vault. Reduce the number of different items per tier, even if that means that an entire raid tier and season has only 1 variation of Cloth helmet, 1 variation of Leather helmet, 1 variation of Mail helmet etc, 1 Polearm, 1 Fist, 1 Off-hand, 1 Shield etc… Besides everyone only goes for BiS lists, we might as well just make only 1 item available for each slot for each role (except crafting). Maybe let there be 2-3 trinkets.
At the same time increase the yield to 1 item per 4 or even 1 item per 3 people in raids, and to 2 items in M+ dungeon untimed and up to 5 items if completed as +3.
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100%. Vault is garbage.
You know what they need to do to make it valuable again ? The 6 coins you get in case none of the items there is interesting…
Those should be able to increase the rank of an existing item. So from Hero to Myth for example. And THEN it would be interesting.
And as a bonus, you cant get more than 6. So you wont need to do 8 dungeons + 8 delves + kill raid bosses. You just need to fill in 1 row.
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The vault is the WoW version of pay day. All the stuff one does to fill it is the WoW version of a job.
Getting paid absolutely is the reward. I don’t do anything unless I’m getting paid.
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The game boils down to activity = reward. I don’t think anything in the game is so much fun on its own that doing it without a reward would be satisfying. So when you have to do the same content over and over again, you expect something from it. When that base activity doesn’t reward you with anything useful, then you look to the GV for the reward.
WoW isn’t a linear single player game where all you do is complete the story.
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I dont agree with that. One should play some game mode because you like it, not because of the reward it gives you.
And by the way, gear is not a “reward” for doing things. Gear is a way to nerf the content slowly through time such that you get a “sensation” of progression in the game.
So if you could do a +5 today, you will be able to do a +7 tomorrow because you got better gear. And you feel happy because you feel like you have “improved”.
THAT is the purpose of gear. But the GV dosent provide that.
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Yea, guaranteed, tell me something. Last week ( 3rd vault of season??) I took socket because it was best option .
High rated M+ runners and PvPers exist. The don’t get a lot from doing that, except for a title for the very small minority.
Unless you count the “rating” itself as reward.
Yes, I agree with that. That’s also why I can’t understand some people claiming that mythic raiding would actually die if it wouldn’t drop the best gear in the game.
I think that if the content itself (and the challenge) isn’t enough to motivate a player to bother with it and GEAR rewards are NEEDED for people to play it, then the content itself has major issues.
Agreed. Gear is a tool to get to a certain point, not a reward. That’s how I see it at least.
The GV is just a troll, lol. None of the people I play with have had a good GV yet. Mediocre at best, garbage most of the time.
I’m anxious about this one because if this doesn’t drop me some tier chest or hands, I’ll keep running around with champion gear for another 2 weeks because the catalyst charge only re-charging every other week is another gripe I have with this game.
I have a LOT of hero chests and hands in my inventory by now but I have to keep using my champion items because I don’t have any cata charges left because the vault basically trolled me and made me cata exactly those two pieces I already had on hero.
So yeah… a single source of gear per week with only 3 options in them, completely randomly generated is… not ideal… far from ideal.
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Being in favour of the vault is idiotic when its because of the vault the content you do to fill it up doesn’t give enough rewards in the first place. Its the wrong way around.
The content should be rewarding, not some stupid rng machine every reset.
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The vault was quite OK when the rewards were just a small bonus, but now we talk about 13 ilvl’s.
And this!
I need hands, head or chest! I have the hero version in my bag, but catalyst charges…
Not that i had bad vaults though.
In DF what I did is literally ignore the Vault. I focused exclusively on getting hero track gear as fast as possible. And that worked fine when the difference between a Hero 6/6 and a Myth 3/3 piece was 5 ilvls. It was fine.
But not this season. Its almost 15 ilvl difference. And that is HUGE.
For the tier set, I got to 2k and got a free piece. And then I waited for the vault to give me a hero track tier piece, which usually happens by week 2 or 3. By then I got enough catalyst charges to get myself 4/4 tier set Hero track. Being a bit patient early on is the best solution to getting the tier set as fast as possible.
Works perfectly fine since SL.
God forbid people set their own goals about what they want, and God forbid that this goal be the best available reward.
You know what, if you want to have that attitude, that’s perfectly understandable, and that’s your way of having fun, but that’s the thing - we can all set our own goals and derive fun from achieving them.
The complaint appears when the best reward happens as a result of doing way too many things, then we’ve got a problem, but quite frankly I really don’t think that’s the case. Delves won’t help a heroic raider at all anymore, and the raid you get to do simply because you’re raiding, and so the rest is just that M+ 10. You need 1, ideally 4. That’s not that many.
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I m just running 1 M+ 10 a week as a Tank for the vault and log off. Why waste my Time for lower ilvl loot
Yes, this.
The issue is the massive 13ilvl gap now. It was “nice to have” in DF but it’s just completely mandatory now.
True. I should’ve waited and not used 1 of my charges on a champ item. I just wanted to get the 4 set asap. Was a mistake.
The other charge I’ve used was on hero shoulders. The 2k token I used for hero legs. Lucky me got myth shoulders in the GV and the following week I got the myth legs in the vault. Both requiring a cata charge. (All other options were either 2 worthless trinkets or… 1 worthless trinket and shoulders again).
That’s another issue imo though. If you don’t plan ahead for multiple weeks and do some probability calculations, you can basically f* up your gear progression for the entire season or at least a substantial amount of the season. (Cata charges and crests).
Nah… You dont ruin your progression that much.
In fact, what you did (getting tier 4/4 1 or 2 weeks earlyear than me) is the most optimal way of gearing up. So you did nothing wrong.
My attitude towards gearing is that I dont want to waste time re-farming gear twice. I do it ONCE and leave that piece there untouched until S2. But that comes at a price.
As someone who’d never had a vault before this expansion, it’s still a novelty to me and, yes, I do try to get the best possible for my current level.
The thing that is irritating is that world events bring down the reward level so I have to do more delves than I would otherwise but I have to do the world events for the bountiful keys. It’s a kind of vicious circle.
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I use the Vault for LFR transmogs I’m missing because it’s a stupid system not being PL or having “Transmog” rolls separate to the actual item to unlock them cosmetics…
Well it potentially means (depending on the GV) that I have to run 2 champ items for 4 weeks in total, which is kinda sad tbh.