If anyone is watching the void tourney right now knows what I’m talking about. The class is beyond BUSTED, does not matter what you do and how many mistakes you make you have so much tools to do + cheat death its insane, this class needs big nerf either to survivability or damage.
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Why does it concern you, little lvl 44 warrior? Hiding, aren’t we?
Now they have baked dodge into cloak. They full burst with kidney and after stuns are over they use cloak offensively to not get any form of CCs to do EVEN more dmg. 95% of rogues use cloak (from watching top streamers) after their stuns. And that gives them an extra 5-6sec advantage on top of 8-9sec stuns (kidney->cheap). Total 14 sec that people cant do anything while they get maimed to death.
In the past they used cloak defensively, now they use it offensively because they KNOW they have 2x vanish to fall back if something goes wrong.
Either press main defense after kidney when they cloak or die. If you press defenses you eat blind and then die second go.
I also forgot dodge. So rogues are immune against CCs and DMG for half minute.
Is this fair Blizztard?
Its only a matter of time before they get 2x cloak like they did with vanish.
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Shadow duel needs nerfed, the most broken ability in the game.
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the pvp talents are the real issue paired with the high burst and survivalbilty
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Just save trinket for duel 4Head L2P #SubRoguex101
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Also the CDR tied to Vanish needs to be removed. Spammable Dance is already stupid enough, 2min Smoke Bomb + 2min Duel as well, but the CDR allows for -30s CD on all of those, making it impossible to trade against.
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Ngl, watched it and it just felt omega cringe. Wasnt even fun watching after awhile.
But I know atleast one person who would hard defend sub and say its somehow bad because of lower representation than some specs.
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Rogue will never get meaningful nerfs to fall below S- tier as a class.
It’s just Blizzard’s favorite class along with Mage and the community always justifies Rogue being broken because of the big “skill” in pressing Cheap shot 3 times in a row while you do the same PvE dmg rotation you did on the training dummy before the queue pop.
And since low-rated Rogues don’t exist by definition, it goes under the radar as most people are lower to mid-rated and don’t get to face it often.
Oh man that insane Cheap shot spam into bomb killing 100-0 through anything below a 30% dmg reduction defensive, that takes years of dedication to pull off.
I wouldn’t even care if the spec was actually squishy and killable. NOPE. Makes sense that the literal definition of a bandit with knives is tankier than things like paladin and death knight lol
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You are LITERALLY hiding your character from Check PvP, hilarious. Unlike you I have nothing to hide and why would I? You can easily check my main characters, lmao this 
Please save yourself from any further embarrassment and stupid posts on Arena forums, at least try to improve in Arena if you even play that or you are just here to troll people with your 1550 arena experience, lmao.
Can someone link a vod or smth or a youtube link I can look at, fancy having a nose and not sure where its being broadcasted
Finals happen at around 2:10:00
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Sub. Rogue deleted whole team alone, finishes against the best players in the game 17-1. 2x Vanish, 2x Cloak, Evasion, Sprint, 2X Shadow Step, Proc cheat death?? Insane damage, Shadow Duel? Like what abomination of the class is this… I suggest everyone to watch this tourney and rogue especially, also Kalvish made so many mistakes at certain maps, yet it did not matter he won.
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This class is the bane of my pvp experience. Yes rogue is harder to play than BM hunter or fury warrior. But oh Lord Almighty is a rogue able to pull off some godlike stuff if he knows what he is doing.
A good rogue player can do way way more to influence the outcome of a game than any other class.
I just wish that for one season rogue would be dumpster tier for all 3 specs
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Absolutely agree. The fact that you can’t counter it in any way is just ridicolous.
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I’m waiting for the “but you die so often through cheat death” replies… 
nerf so war can just blade dance and win in 1 button like retarded players who plays dh and udk
Sub rogues just have so much power to carry any game. You got enough CC to CC 3 ppl at once, you got enough DMG to solo kill ppl, you got 10 different skills to immune DMG, stop a go, disappear, reset when needed.
If the healer trinkets badly you can CC him for 20secs and you won the game for your team. If the DPS trinkets badly you can bomb / shadow duel him and 1v1 him and you won the game for your team. If they go you you can evasion, cloak, vanish, vanish, stun / stun / stun and you won the game for your team. If someone chases you when you are low, you can triple stun them behind a pillar and 1v1 them and you won the game for your team. Rogue just has too many tools.
To fix them we need to remove their tools:
- No more double vanish.
- Evasion and CoS cause the other to enter a 30sec CD so you can’t use them together and can’t use them back to back.
- Duel / Smoke - you can only have one.
I don’t want to remove to much of their DMG, cause nobody want’s to be a CC bot that relies 100% on his team to win games. This way you can still win games if you play well, but you no longer have 30sec of immunity, no longer have multiple ways to reset the fight and lose CDR through multiple vanishes.
PS - Yes it might be hard to play sub, cause CCing 3 ppl at once probably ain’t easy. but the fact that you can do that multiple times in a game and almost solo carry the game is the issue. We gotta reduce the ceiling for rogues and no class should be able to solo win in pro level games. It’s not like the people that played vs Kalvish were bad, all of them were pros, it’s just rogue when played by a pro has 10x the tools any other class / spec has.
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Hardest spec to kill in the whole game, most burst, most CC, best CDR in the game with vanish, the only class in the game with an undispellable full immunity that does not reduce damage done (cloak with talent). A spec where resources are nowadays irrelevant- both combo points and energy. The only resource this spec has to think about - 2 charges of shadowdance. The only spec in the game with something like duel - unique utility.
Every spec must have a weak spot - damage/defensives/cc/utility… something. Something must be nerfed, and I don’t mean 10% to some ability that does 250k and will now do 200k. A nerf that will matter
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They need to decide what they want rogue to be tbh. Even assassin plays like a ret now…
Just zug zug almost never run and reset anymore 
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