The biggest gold sink in the game is AH purchases by a mile and that is where much of purchased gold obviously goes. Delete AH then?
Other than that - as I mentioned earlier. Take Wild Growth as example - I assure you bots are there, but GDKP is not.
Hence your link between bots and GDKP is not as solid as you’d like to imagine. In other words, GDKP is a minor “issue” that is not really changing much as far as bot infestation goes.
Finally, as I said it many times - if you want to fight bots - fight bots, not players.
Yeah it’s not there yet. Like it wasn’t on Lone Wolf a few weeks ago when it was rampant on Living Flame. Just because GDKP hasn’t started yet doesn’t mean that the bots are just going to leave.
One quick look at popular gold sites tells you all you need to know. On Living Flame the biggest server with GDKP running pretty much from the get go, it’s $720 for 2k gold, On Living Flame it $360 for 2k.
So why is the gold double the price on the biggest GDKP server in EU?
Because Living Flame is locked, which creates an issue for bots, obviously.
Obviously nothing to do with the demand for gold for GDKP. People just buying shadow pots, healing potions & Humberts helm 24/7
I drank a glass of water, then went out and got hit by a car. Clearly the issue here is that I drank the glass of water.
The “obviously” part in Living Flame is that it is locked and botters can’t replenish banned bots as easily as in the other server that is not locked. Hence, gold prices are MUCH higher thanks to supply/demand ratio being fudged.
But sure, GDKP is the boogeyman here.
Occam’s Razor and all.
i legit have no words for your copium on defending GDKPs and this
Yes, I am using logic to argue, that is wild indeed. Revolutionary even.
You cannot do anything to stop GDKP, it is far too much efficient a system for everyone involved, I am sorry. In a sense it keeps the wheels of game spinning by empowering “wow middle class” with opportunity.
Blizzard knows this and also they are not stupid. Let’s say that the in game entrails of GDKP management get closed like no trading in raid or whatsoever. One day and the whole GDKP is moved to discord or any other platform, payment methods get updated, and GDKP continues. Or you prohibit any mention of it in game - two hours and there will be new discord and people who will earn cuts by managing the networks of pumpers and oilers.
I know these boosting/GDKP communities, they are HUGE you would never believe and work like almost any other Ltd. company. And we are not even speaking about professionalized boosting/gold selling sites.
Besides, in the ancient times the first GDKPs came to being as a way to promote raid participation on the better part of guilds’ raids.
It is just too much gain for almost no risk. Sorry but I don’t have good news for y’all. From pragmatic point of view, I understand why they are so popular.
this is a result of how the looting system just is and kinda outdated
becuase as i said earlier: how are you able to get loot or anything from a raid and kinda wasting not just hours but maybe some gold for pots/teleports to world buffs
if you are cursed to only roll 1s and if the item even drop (as the epic staff example why is that so low droprate compare to basically the hunter only epic)
it is SoD so they can do changes if they want this time unlike classic era / wotlk classic
we really need a better raid loot system overall
that infact reward the player to complete the raid built in the game itself
and the more it can make GDKP less viable the better
this is why i also say GDKP is sadly the “meta” thing to do becuase it is effcient
But also very damaging to the game as a whole
but GDKP runners dont care
in real life they would be like:
if i get 10m euroes
i dont mind if half of humanity dies
idk what the WoW equal is to that but this is basically what they do
infact why not get a built in DKP system in the game
but for the whole game just not within a guild
and those DKPoints is fully soulbound cannot be traded at all whats so ever
maybe can be account bound
now it leaves out the gold and it wont be as damaging
but sadly 1 other problem with DKP systems within a guild as we seeing from time to time
for people who is not sweatie tryhards and doing raids every raid lockout
maybe skip afew of them
we seeing people hoard those points like heavy to the point later on only 1 person gets the loot
but honestly better than use Gold if it was Game wide and not just within a guild
and when the bidding of those points happen and when they are used
those points gets completed removed from the game not even traded to a other player
becuase you get those points from killing bosses and finish a raid
now less botters needs to farm gold for the gold buyers that needs gold for GDKPs
and the requirement for joining a raid group dont including needing the amount of gold you need to buy becuase unable to farm it without playing the game 25 hours in a day
but this could be a RNG-less solution on who get the loot when a item drops
but the main issue is just there is basically 2 layers of RNG of raid loot(technical 4):
- (the technical one first): if the pug grp even is able to defeat the raid/boss in the first place
- then item need to drop from the boss
- you win the roll
- (a other technical one): hope the raid leader is not a ninja looter aswell
there is abit too much RNG layers to be able to get the loot even more on the epic staff example on cases like that
these RNG layers is the reason why GDKP is the meta basically
making this kind of system where the only place you can use those points is within a raid when a loot drops and the only place you can farm those points: join the raids and finish them could really solve alot ofc there is properly a good chunk of flaws in this too but 100% wont be as game damaging as being this much gold demanding for gold sellers
just gonna link this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVk7hzDFl4A
GDKPs is harming the game end of story
no defending this at all if you do
you might aswell be a gold buyer/botter or seller
even if you say you get the gold legit
if 1 gold buyer joins your GDKP run: all it take is 1 gold buyer and you dont know who it is (unless its very open on it like some examples posted here)
you are still getting your gold from gold sellers & botters and becuase you are getting gold from those you ARE still supporting gold sellers and botters basically
and reminder botters has the ability to report a real player now and it works:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/198dejw/reporting_killing_camping_bots_will_lead_to_your/
you are supporting this 100% if you just joining a GDKP and if GDKP run has atleast 1 gold buyer even if it is not you
and no this is not like auction house as GDKP defenders saying it is
auction house is for selling non soulbound items
GDKPs pretty much turning BOP items into BOEs for a raid group
I’m doing GDKP every week and it’s fine. Doing 5g to 20g pot. Most people don’t buy goids in SOD because why risking a ban or whatever just to get 20 more spell power lmao.
Sorry, I’m not gonna /roll an epic caster staff against full green parser that need every single items in the raid, and you’ll not force me to do that.
Also living flammes is locked, we have no bots issues.
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so how do you know people dont buy gold? becuase its impossible to know unless its like 1 of those reddits examples i showed but thats kinda the extrame case of bad players basically not wanting to play the game but still get the loot
living flame is 1 of those servers people have said has most botters and came in before the lock and alot is still not banned: seeing interviews from gold sellers that had bots running for over a half year before even getting banned
and i am sure you can even look at the gold prices and compare them to each realm on some gold selling site and see the gold is about the same-ish price between most SOD servers becuase it take too long before bots getting banned so you can maybe even thanks bots for that lock on living flame
but again GDKPers dont look at the whole picture and saying its fine becuase they got the loot and dont look at all the side effects GDKP do for the game as a whole
again becuase they get the loot and benefit them even more if they is able to buy gold but ofc not being honest about it becuase that can lead to ban
meanwhile GDKP still make more demand on gold and we dont live in a perfect world where people play nice and dont buy gold becuase the option is there and the risk of getting banned seems like non existing: can easy see that on classic era with the GDKPs there
I don’t know who is your source, but there’s no bots on LF-EU. It’s currently 4am on LF-EU on Alliance side (the majority of the population) :
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SFK/Stockade ? Only 2 unguilded people, the rest is standard players.
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RFK ? 3 Hunters, 1 unguilded, farming BoE.
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Silithus farming level 60 mob and kitte them into guard ? Silithus is empty.
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Desolace / Alterac / STV / Azshara fisher bots ? From 1 to 5 people in theses zones and everyone seem to respond on whisp.
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Arathi elemental bot farmer ? Yes sure in a PvP zone where anyone can oneshot you when you farm “??” level mob.
I know it’s hard to believe, but Living Flammes is “bot free”. Sorry for you if you play on Lone wolf, I know the pain. Take any random material in Lone Wolf, it’s triple the price of Living Flammes.
So what are bots doing on LF-EU ? I’ll tell you :
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They don’t do any farm that can lead to a report by players because the server is locked and a fresh account is 100$.
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They bot vendors (recipe, potions).
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They probably also bot leveling / bot quests and create new characters on same account over and over get rinced after level 25 from XP => Golds conversion.
But it’s only an infinitesimal fraction of the player base in LF-EU. And yes, all theses bots exist because there’s a demand for golds. No surprise.
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Dont even answer to this green parsing dog that is trying to get me banned for gold buying/selling because i said i do GDKPs and that i do Stockades with my mage to farm gold for the GDKPs. Allegedly thats enough of a proof that someone is gold seller. Id rather quit the game then be forced to roll on items with dogs like him.
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You are super low IQ, you think its a proof when someone on forums trolls and accuses you of something. The guy obviously trolled, he doesnt even know what server im playinh on and he said Karbohajla sold it to him which is a character im posting on and its on Firemaw WOTLK. How stupid are you for real?
The other guy “legit has proof” hahaha, you really are 30IQ. Go back to retail you weak, pathetic excuse of a man
Karbohajla turned me into a newt! Burn the witch!
You were supposed to stay amphibian, how did you type this without hands? Who removed my curse?