In SL it seems like we are just getting nerfed, and since blizz are doing their whole unpruning theme, I think getting Fel Barrage as baseline would be really cool. I hate having to choose between ToR and FB, FB feels so much more fun to use but ToR generally gives better results overall.
Please Blizz?
Blizzard is doing unpruning and yet DH is actually weaker than before, with longer cd blade dance, shorter Eye Beam Meta, less healing, and 5 min cd on Darkness.
What a sick joke.
It’s annoying man, I guess so many people complained that we’re “op”. That’s just not true. Yes I feel very strong in pvp, but often times if the enemy team is stun heavy such as a monk + rogue I almost always lose. Might just be me though.
Feels like a punch to the gut to be nerfed when everyone else is being buffed.
DH was top tier in neither PvP or PvE. The heavy nerfs don’t make sense.
The entire talent tree needs to be baseline.
Honestly, yeah. What AoE does DH have?
Blade Dance, 8 sec cd
Eye Beam, 15/30 sec cd
Do Mages or Warriors or Rogues have cds on their AoE?
And consider that now AoEs only hit 5 targets, which means that when our AoEs DO come off cooldown, they’ll do way less damage. DH is going to be way weaker in AoE fights compared to classes that don’t have CD on their AOE.
Since Fel Barrage can only hit 5 targets it’s clear as day it’s dead on arrival, together with Essence Break to be honest.
The changes to Demonic Appetite also makes Blind Fury dead on arrival, together with Immolation Aura which you need to talent into (only the dmg part of it was made baseline) and Demonic (which should be made baseline already).
Trail of Ruin, Demonic Appetite, First Blood and Demonic should be baseline abilities for havoc.
Yeah it’s ridiculous how hard they’re nerfing us. They’re ignoring that with a maximum of 5 targets hit, AoEs that are on cooldown will be FAR weaker. Barrage is just dog 
now. People weren’t even picking it when they could AoE down 30 targets, they’re not going to pick it now.
Like dh was not op enough already smh
The main problem with FB is that raidbots is simming it wrongly. Those days with all haste buffs it keep up with trial. Although, I think it is too much 1 min cd. Maybe 45 secs.
Do mages and warriors have stun ? do they have 1 min cd blur ? do they have dodge 100% every 8 sec? do they have mobility as u ? Oh, no… THEY DONT. w*fare u even talkign about.
Warrior does. And a slow. And a fear.
Mage doesn’t need a Blur because they can kite forever. Warrior has shield wall.
Do DHs have casting while moving? Do DHs have spammable Polymorph?
We can list class abilities all day.
Oh pls, stop it dude.
Warriors do have stun, but they have to waste talent in that, if they use talent for a stun, then they wont have extra charge. Which is even worse.
a slow? who cares. You have slow as well.
Fear? fair enough, 3 min cd fear, fair enough dude (y)
You can aoe stun, you can single targett stun, also u can put person in cage aka another stun.
warrior can shield wall? since then SINCE THEN fury warrior can shield wall LOL ?
You logic is so …
if we compare warrior to dh, u will see that dh has much more utility compared to warrior.
Dude, they are caster, they wear cloth, they are strong if they are far away, but they are squishy if someone comes close to them. simple is that.
Just admit that DH needs to be reworked, they need to add different talents, more buttons to click, and make this class playable, not clown fiesta with 2-3 buttons we have right now.
I tried to level DH recently, dude, I almost got 108 lvl and I’m bored clicking chaos strike and Fel Blade? or w/e the name of the skill is.so I said to my self, nah man, Im going to play warrior better.
What slow might that be?
AoE fear*
The 3 second sap? OP
So can you. It’s a talent.
Why are you even playing Fury in PvP?
LOL except this expansion casters are just as tanky as melee.
And yet there are more Warriors at 2.2K+ rating in 3v3 than DHs. Wonder why.
Good for you. I think DH needs more spells as well. Hence this thread.
Vengeful retreat applies an AOE slow, if you’re going to argue about DH it might help to actually know what our class does.
Holy shait, Kelduril. Not only it is obvious that you don’t know what you are talking about from your posts, it is also clear that you have next to 0 experience in the game and how it operates on a bigger scale, judging by your achi points. Stop. You are giving us, normal players, a bad image.
yes, as I said I have stun, but I need to waste talent on that, while u dont need to waste talent on that.
You can run away, u can use blur 1 min cd., u have dodge every 8 sec. 3 sec sap, it is extra interrupt. and u have 3 min cd which reduces dmg taken, can’t remember the name. Some of those skills must be in talent tree. Not base skills.
2.2k rating is so small community man, don’t look on top 1 players. Look on majority, and u will see tons of casuals, who are playing game for fun, but who is not playing dh, they struggle and envy because u can do so much while their class can’t do same ;(
Anyway.
3 second duration, 15 second cooldown. That’s a 20% uptime. You’re also wasting a gap closer for a 3 second slow.
Hamstring is 100%.
Your stun can’t be dispelled.
Darkness? It’s not that good without the PvP talent.
No? It has thousands.
If they balanced the game after casuals it would be far worse than it is now.
OK, U are just a troll. wont waste more time with u.