Suggestions to change M+

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@Tarvas-the-shatar

There are problems with the timer. I have spelt them out repeatedly above. Maybe you think the merits of the timer (about which you give no specifics) outweigh the drawbacks, but it is unreasonable to pretend there are no drawbacks.

Let me quote someone from another thread on the same topic, regarding the timer and people leaving which i agree with a 100%.

@Alnyra-burning-legion

You and many other people are looking at it the wrong way. You wouldnt have fixed the situation if the timer wasnt there, because if the entire more was designed around not having the timer, the initial conditions would be completely different.

Removing the timer breaks the difficulty scaling of the dungeons and opens up plenty of ways to abuse the system, hence it would require multiple other ways to ensure difficulty, so its very likely the same guy would have left the party once he would notice that ie. the rest of the team is nothing close to killing the roadblock boss (and you would inevitably have fights like that somewhere in some dungeons).

To the problems you mentioned. I am not sure which ones you mean or if i missed any but this is what i found:

@Tarvas-the-shatar

The timer makes people very risk averse and therefore require someone above the requisite skill and gear level to be considered.

Yes absolutly! People are trying to find like minded players to achieve their goal. Run the dungeon in time. You can’t expect others to have your mentality when their goals differ from yours. That’s not a timer problem but a difference in player goals. The Timer adds a significant portion of the challenge.

@Tarvas-the-shatar

It ruins the social experience of dungeons.

Yes and Mythic + is probably not the place to chat while you are on a timer. You can chit chat after or before that. I had several tanks, mages, hunters or shamans asking when to bloodlust and tanks posting their MDT route for everyone. General strategies can be learned in normal mythic dungeons and shouldn’t be a topic anymore when you joined a +15 key. Also not a problem of the timer but more like a question of what to do and when to do things?
On the other hand i also had a few guild runs where we had a lot of fun on discord.

@Tarvas-the-shatar

Players are not prepared to take a chance on someone who might fail.

Wrong. I take myself and my expirience as an example here and i failed more than i ever wished for.

@Tarvas-the-shatar

The timers for casual players, particularly in PUGs, is not fun.

Fun is not objective, it’s subjective and surely not a reason to remove it.
Your opinion is not wrong though.
Define “casual” because it’s as subjective as “fun” is and it depends with what you compare it with.

@Tarvas-the-shatar

It clearly makes the experience more stressful, because even silly mistakes that can easily be corrected are consequential.

Yes that’s the whole point of a timer and yes mistakes should have consequences otherwise it wouldnt be a challenge anymore. The affixes are obviously not your concern here otherwise there would be complaints from you about them.