I mean, the lore establishes all of this just fine.
The Lich King’s primary power is control over undead.
Sylvannas, like the other Forsaken, have regained control over themselves from The Lich King.
The Lich King has previously killed us, but we’ve also killed him.
Sylvannas has amassed a lot of power recently. Like I said, knifu-waifu, Helya, Azshara. She showed that in the Saurfang cinematic when she toasted him with little effort.
And finally, story and gameplay are different. In the game we have levels and talents and what not, but in the story it’s not Dragonball, and there’s no scouter, and the Lich King’s power level isn’t higher than Sylvannas’. They’re just two characters who fight each other, and Sylvannas had a clever plan, and The Lich King’s defenses were insufficient. That’s what the cinematic showed.
So a teenage nub paladin, all of a sudden starts to hear whispers, finds a sword, then becomes the lich king, one of the most powerful character in the game. all of these are perfectly normal…
but when same things happen to Sylvanas ‘‘aRe yoU kiddinG Me? ’’
Having regained control of themselves has nothing to do with the Lich King being able to kill them. He uses his control over the undead when people are actually dead. That was his whole plan in WoTLK, to let Tirion gather all the suposed heroes of azeroth in front of his throne, kill them and raise them in undead as leaders of the scourge. Sylvanas is just another person whos fighting the lich king has nothing to do with regaining control over herself.
the only thing that cinematic showed was how much of a mary sue sylvanas is.
But how? Sylvannas is a banshee who has managed to resist and defy the control of The Lich King.
So how is The Lich King going to kill her? She’s already (un)dead. She’s like a mosquito that you can’t squash at this point.
Sylvannas regained control over herself way back in Warcraft III, just to throw it out there.
My point simply being that The Lich King can’t just do “his thing” on her, like he did on us, because it has no effect on her. She’s already (un)dead and immune to his control. And she’s immensely strong on her own.
But Warcraft is a mary sue by and large. What were you expecting?!
The Lich King himself is Blizzard’s homage to Star Wars. Arthas was Anakin. The Lich King was Darth Vader.
It’s all mary sue, but it’s cool as hell anyway!
Just another “egocentric incompetent male” leader killed off by activision blizzard and replaced by a woman aka perfect in all ways leader (not a misogynist btw, just saying)
Do note that Bolvar could resist melding fully with LK/Nerzul/Death domains of power and thus being much weaker than Arthas was. Do you remember Arthas heart ?
I literally said why it doesnt matter that she has control of herself right after, didnt you read that?
Right and how did he kill the forsaken heroes of azeroth who are also undead… For the last time. Having control over yourself doesnt stop the Lich King from being ridiculously powerful that he could effortlessly kill an entire army of heroes in a single devastating attack…
The cinematic makes no sense no matter how you cut it.
The Lich King controls a colossal fortress packed with undead and he only puts up a fight when Sylvanus is literally within arrow range of him?
He has complete control over the citadel and the undead and all he has is a small army of zombies and throws some spikes?
He can slaughter a group of the strongest heroes in Azeroth with ease but with Sylvanus he…doesn’t despite her clearly being a threat to the balance he strives to uphold.
Despite Death Knights drawing power directly from the Shadowlands the ultimate Death Knight can’t beat Sylvanas who is running on the same borrowed power?
She breaks the Helm of Domination and it tears reality in half? What??
If Kil’Jaeden could create something like that then why bother with a Lich King in the first place? Why create the Scourge to weaken Azeroth when he could have just shattered the barrier between the worlds of life and death and let whatever’s on the other side weaken Azeroth?
Yeah I read it, but what you said made no sense in regards to the established lore and story for Sylvannas and The Lich King.
Ah. I see.
Here’s your problem (and I covered this earlier):
You cannot differentiate between gameplay and story.
When The Lich King kills your entire Horde raid, which includes Forsaken players, that’s gameplay. It has to be that way because it would be silly if all the Forsaken players didn’t die. So for gameplay purposes everyone dies.
Story-wise it’s different. In terms of story the Forsaken players have retaken control over themselves from The Lich King. That’s why they’re Forsaken and not Scourge.
Sylvannas was the first to re-take control over herself. Story-wise The Lich cannot just kill or control her. She is effectively vaccinated from his powers.
I think it’s important to be able to differentiate between what exists in WoW for the sake of gameplay, and how you actually translate it to lore and story.
this is not the true lich king arthas was and with frostmourne. bolvar was just keeping the undead at bay as a stand in lich king. powerful? yes arthas level? no. who knows going into the shadowlands, it just may be arthas that helps us knock her off her perch. isnt the shadowlands where the dead reside?
Yes please quote to me a line from the lore where it says that the Lich King didnt kill the forsaken heroes of azeroth and they just stood there standing around waiting for the light to ress the other heroes. Like gameplay is the best way to go here trust me.
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