The loyalist player is pretty much the psycho who followed a broken soul in her delusional quest for freedom.
The devs are pretty much saying: Sylvanas is excused because she was actually missing her other soul while YOU are just an idiot who was nothing but a dumb lapdog. Have a lovely evening everyone!
Now it’s just a case of waiting to see how she was the good guy all along. And we just don’t understand the true moral grey of the situation.
We will work with her to get back at the jailer and save mini Arthus.
And it ends in a few ways.
1.They will forgive her because she totally helped.
2.She escapes
3.She becomes the new jailer, because there must always be a jailer.
4.She sacrifices herself maybe in combination with the coming the jailer thing.
5.Dance montage
6.Let the cow swing.
Nothing you can say makes her redeemable in any way shape or form. I don’t care if she was soul split, or whatever. That’s just lazy writing.
Also with the concept of split souls, and time travel, and all this crap, chances are we could kill her and get 20 different versions of sylvanas coming from other timelines, or split souls or ghouls, banshees whatever. It made all forms of loss feel empty. Since death has no real consequences any more.
They did Garrosh dirty. Garrosh did nothing wrong.
Well, there is teased “purpose for the night elf souls”. Which has the most morbid implications. From possibly Elune making elves sleep so they could not escape, to making “genocide of you was good achshually!”. Not to mention what it does to the foundations of what that race was.
So, gods are evil, Light is bad, all are bad when they can afford, “age of mortals” is the best. All things people liked be doomed in the process.
Well at least Garrosh remains consistent in his character. Was it a bit dumb? I mean yeah he shouted “for the Horde”, the faction that literally rebelled against him and eventually killed him… But in a dumb “rule of cool” blizzard way, it makes sense.
As for the end raid cinematic… Don’t know what to say… Zovaal looks like a bit like Megatron from the Michael Bay series. That’s it. All I got from it. xD
The Sylvanas soul shard was totally predicted from the folk’s and fairy tales book so no surprises there.
The suckiest part is that we’re going to have to live with this face palm / eye rolling inducing conclusion aaaaaall the way until 9.2 or even the Sylvanas novel…
I swear to mog if they come out and say “Oh we killed all the elves, so they could be reborn through the, whatever the nightfae do’s reincarnation” thing. I’m going to burn down another world tree.
I think they try to back down from BfA as much as possible at this point and accuse the incomplete part of Sylvanas that this tragedy could happen, but hey we can reincarnate souls, right?
I don’t know about that.
Having the bit Zovaal was keeping be something like her “Good side”, seems to be just a fan theory or interpretation because of some vague information given.
Bear in mind, that Uther remained roughly the same even if under the same circumstance, or the fact that Sylvanas reticence and doubts regarding the negative side of her current plan, all happened before being reunited with the other piece of her soul.
In short, how much this will change her as a character, is up to debate.
Could always just, make a phylactery with the soul remains. Maybe go back in time, grab one from an alternate dimension, split the soul into some more bits.
Alternate timelines, lingering fragments of there existence from different points. Slap her soul into a maldraxxus construct. Death doesn’t really have an impact in wow anymore.
So when I see anyone die, I just am waiting to see them come back as something else.
I’d actually find her more interesting.
If people would stop trying to lay down some maggot meat, maybe they would treat the character like an actual person with flaws and consequences for there actions.
He didn’t though. That’s the point of his story there. Uther should have been a good Kyrian, but the severed soul could never be one. He obsessed over vengeance which was very unlike him. It’s not necessarily a good/evil seperation, but it’s certainly a relevant character change.
Ehh honestly. I have always loved the ranger general sylvanas from warcraft 3 alas…these lsat two expansions, they just went beyond with retcons. It kinda murders the old memories and feels too high fantasy…Even by my standards. While there were so many better ways to handle the retcons just by tweaking them a little:
Helm of domination being crafted by jailor>Just make it so that dreadlords crafted it, in lore we thought legion made them we could have just said kiljaiden was looking for an artifact and some dreadlords forged it. Would have made sense with the old and new lore with dreadlords being death agents.
Souls being split by Frostmourn, instead they could have just said that part of the soul is consumed?
Reanimating via necromancy and afterlife…So you are telling me some mortal with 3 years of experience can kick up the grand design of the gods and just rip an angel off from after life in to a rotten corpse and control it and that they don’t remember ANYTHING and somehow it doesn’t disturb the balance? Why not just say that instead resurrected them splits the soul, mortal part comes back to Azeroth with all the Azeroth memories, and part which knows the Shadowlands remains behind and keeps doing their duty, like a fail safe mechanism for afterlife.
Kelthuzad serving the Jailor all along…Whut? The moments in warcraft 3 where he saves Arthas and him calling the lich his only ally, and kelthuzad being scared hearthless when they first see lich king etc. They could have just said that he met or learnt about the Jailor AFTER Arthas was killed instead of being like you know serving from the start.
Also Ardenweald ruining the dream. Legit in bfa ONE expansion prior we had a quest where a red dragon leads the soul of another dragon in to the dream to rest. Saying that animal, druidic, wildgod-ic and dragon spirits go to the dream then one expansion later…Oh they actually go to Ardenweald and get reborn there? There are quests in game saying that we summoned cenarius back from the dream and devs saying that each creature go to their respective powers upon death x’D
Sure, that may have been a circumstance others took advantage of in order to persuade and manipulate him in some way or another, but still, he remained the same he was in life.
Devos may have persuaded him to throw Arthas into the Maw, but he still had doubts about it. Doubts that turned into open and voiced regret at the end of the Kyrian campaign.
He may have been driven by a somewhat vindictive attitude to the point of joining the Forsworn. But once he discovered they were in fact working for the Jailer, he switched sides again.
It really is up to debate how much his character was influenced by the circumstances regarding his soul. Because to be honest, he behaved as i’d expect a living Uther would (while deceveid because of the same context as this dead one).
You can compare it to Arthas killing a part of his soul. It was said in the books that before he killed his mortal side (of his soul) he had this regret and humanity keeping him back. After getting rid of it, he becomes far more ruthless.
Being fooled or manipulated by Devos into a more vengeful state, created a mood state that had little to do with having his soul split.
Whatever anomaly you noted in the characters behaviour, he was able to rectify it and return to his usual living self once everything was cleared up.
Without needing to have his soul fragment return to him.
The effect of said soul splintering may be debatable in terms of the impact on character development.
But point remains that these instances where people grasp at someone acting “OOC”, were never explained nor resolved through said plot device.
In this particular case, Uther started acting “normal” again without needing to be whole.
Sylvanas started getting humanised before having Zovaals “gift”.
In all, people are making a bigger deal out of these soul fragments (in terms of character personality), than what it all really is about as shown in the story.