Incredible damage and threat, one Spirit Bomb takes aggro from main targets, let alone off of secondary targets, I think I am going to park my Druid until they fix it. I mean as a Guardian I have no more abilities, no buttons to press. One Thrash and two Swipes ain’t going to cut it, in those 2-3 seconds I have already lost all my secondaries, and soon the main target too.
I am not sure, maybe I should stop playing the beta and wait for the full release huh?
So what is this thread? A thinly veiled “Nerf VDH” thread? If so just come out and say it.
I mean, DHs are being told left right and centre “enjoy sucking in pvp/pve as havoc bro, you had the last expo to shine”. So I will take this opportunity to say to the other perfectly viable tanks that given VDH was a ginger stepchild in BFA, and other tanks were generally all doing better, it is now their turn to sit down and be quiet and let someone else enjoy the limelight for a bit.
After all what is good for Havoc is good enough for everyone else.
When people gear up and mobility becomes less of a clincher in mythic+ at the current “high key” range, then you’ll see the other tanks start to come up. It’s just atm VDH has mobility in droves coupled with somewhat reliable self-healing and a good “cheat death” talent as well as reliable aoe threat. This makes them ideal tanks in experiential content like pushing high keys for the first time, which is why everyone atm wants them.
This said, other tanks have still keyed high keys (15+) so I fail to see the issue.
It is about how the Guardian sucks in threat generation, overall DPS, abilities, buttons to press, everything is a CD these days…
Then make a thread about how druids need tweaks?
Why does every request for buffs in wow these days need to also take a swipe at another class?
VDH was parked for pretty much most of BFA in favour of other specs, and now rather than ask for changes to their classes (which aren’t underperforming by any means) people would rather kick VDH back into the dirt?
TBH i’d really like an expo where the dungeon group looks a bit different to druid healer, warrior tank …etc. It’s massively enriching to see stuff like “VDH tank, resto shaman healer” quips given both of these classes saw all the others of their roles get groups before them for 5 man content throughout all of BFA.
So yeah maybe druid needs a tweak (wouldn’t know, i don’t play one) but if that’s the issue, leave VDH out of it. I mean prot pala are doing very well as tanks atm as well but nobody seems to mention them?
Tbh DH IS a hero class so they should be somewhat better than a druid who can do all roles imo
The silver lining of having the focus on DH tanks is most of the mongoloids cant tank as DH and left because DPS spec doesnt go brrrr anymore.
So the ones left doing keys are decent enough.
Because I was just raiding with a DH tank and am majorly p*ssed off with this improbable situation. How hard can it be for Blizz to sit down and keep abilities, like threat and tank DPS, within close range? “Balanced” is the key word. There is no BALANCE when in 2 seconds as a tank you have lost all your targets, even the main target due to the off-off-off-off-cleaves of a nearby Vengeance DH.
Balance is balance. Maybe the player in question needs to paly differently rather than it being a class issue?
I mean if an off-tank is still p[ushing their threat buttons to draw aggro when the other tank is maining, that’s them playing badly tbh. There is no need to “cruise threat” at all in a raid given taunt put you back to the top. All the DH needs to do is sustain with shards (which will also help bring DS off cooldown if FtD is taken) which can be accomplished with only shear and soul cleave.
If they were also using Elysian Decree and Spirit Bomb when they’re not meant to be main tanking, that tells me they were trying to take aggro because a DH has much lower threat options to deal some aoe damage and sustain (Soul Cleave generates more healing per fury spent than SPirit Bomb).
If the DH is meant to be tanking mobs of their own, and you mobs of your own, then you shouldn’t be tanking on top of eachother anyway given both tanks rely on point blank aoe threat skills.
This seems to me an “issue” that can be mitigated by play rather than class tweaks.
Every class has strengths and weaknesses and threat/dmg is one of VDHs, because they have relatively poor single target mitigation over a sustained period compared to other tanks (especially druids) and their ability to sustain damage from many targets outside of their big D cooldowns is limited, hence why they usually end up kiting. But when they kite, they can’t utilise their self-healing very well.
Druids have comparatively much better upfront facetanking for both ST and AOE especially over sustained periods. Their snap threat however is not as good. It is what it is.
I’m pissed off that Havoc is absolute trash, but I’m not yelling how everything else should be nerf, I just want the spec I enjoy the most to be buffed.
I suggest you do the same.
People who cry about Demon Hunters are exactly what they project onto DHs. It’s getting really old to trashtalk a 2-spec class. Just play what you enjoy and let others play what they enjoy. Everyone is entitled to happiness.
Blizzard balance = throwing a coin for each spec in each patch to figure out if they up or nerf a class… Never noticed that yet ? Well enjoy it’s been like this for years…
And again… I can’t stand this mentality “My gameplay is bad, so everyone should have a bad gameplay”… You know you could get buffed and not ruin everyone else fun as yours ?
Take veng DH with a grain of salt, its a spec meant to cool off from playing Havoc DH. Its only a matter of time before you see a flat nerf to veng and a flat buff to Havoc. It will happen before the end of season and you will see the rise of other tanks again. Beside the possibility of being qble to equip 2 legendaries later on in the expansion will change things.
I do high dps as prot pala yet a bomb from DH can steal some agro. Its a bad threat numbers design by blizz that affects all other 5 tanks.
Its nothing veng DH should brag about. Its annoying for other tanks. I’d rather have a dk/monk/druid as co-tank than veng DH, threat is much more predictable.
Yeah poor druids. Two top tier dps specs and a strong healing spec. That’s not enough for the class with the most utility in its kit. They need to have 4 top tier specs!! Blizzard please!!
This highly depends on the situation, overall its best to do a double attack. Buffing the weakest specs while nerfing the strongest that does more for the overall balance than just focusing on buffing or nerfing.
Also VDH is so powerful right now for m+ it goes out over other tanks, can’t even get into groups for dungeons I have +2 on the level of the key I’m applying to because they want a VDH. Other tanks arent bad in anyway they are just not at the level of VDH when it comes to utility and damage which takes the upper hand.
VDH doesnt need alot of tuning just a reduction on their overall damage output to let other tanks catch up.
so in other words you want them to be destroyed? they do alot of dmg AoE but single target not that much imo, Another thing everyone has been complaining about Havoc in BfA and they destroyed it a bit now it seems they arent satisfied enough? Vengeance DH have been bad for 2 seasons and now they shine imo they are not better then pally, or Druid they are the SAME, a bear Tank has one of the most incredible Phisical Defences they have lots of utility, maybe people need to see how they need to tank like a bear? there is a Bear tank you know that has timed a 20+ key so ye maybe they dont suck at their class? enough said.
VDH is extremly good true but Guardian aint really in a super bad position, they might even take over as the meta tank once VDH gets their nerfs because they will come I’m sure of that.
Welcome to the club; this happens to every single Havoc DH in the game, which is why everyone plays VDH. Do you people not see the problem here?
2. Spec. Class. Stop crying about nerfing it and there will be less problems because Blizz can actually balance the 2 specs so that they’re both viable and not overtuned/undertuned.
It’s not hard to understand.
We are not talking about Havoc DH or about Balance or Resto Druids or other classes, not talking about how good some class and some spec was in BfA and “who got it coming”…
I am explaining how bad the Guardian Druid DPSs and builds threat, and my comparison was with my Vengeance DH co-tank. Had I played alongside a Paladin and had experienced same issue I’d be talking about Paladins vs Guardians instead.
I never asked for Vengeance to be nerfed, I am asking for Druid Guardians to be fixed. It is there on my first post.
Blizzard needs to balance the tanks, it cannot possibly be that hard to do.
You might want to edit your tittle then to reflect what you want to talk about.
Explain that to the massive crowd cheering at Havoc being trash because it was good in bfa, maybe you are not among them but you can understand why us dh mains have little patience for people complaining about vengeance being op in that context.
Yet your thread is called:“Talking about dh tanks”
Ahh! That’s why I got so much aggro 
Fixed.