TBC anniversary: "Blizzard, please evaluate tbc classic 2021"

With the upcoming TBC anniversary re-release planned in winter/spring 2026 I would like to bring up some shortcomings of TBC to the attention to the Blizzard devs and the classic community. Hoping to start a conversation, with the ultimate goal of improving the TBC gaming experience for all of us (although mainly focused on pve). The classic anniversary realms already brought some QoL improvements, like dual spec, chrono-boons and the removal of the (de-)buff limit. I think we can all agree that these changes have improved the classic experience a lot. Similar to Classic Vanilla, TBC also has it’s ā€˜problems’, so lets see where we can improve.

Well known content creator on Youtube named WillE has made a video 2 years ago where he evaluates his experiences throughout TBC. I think he brings up some valid points. Lets go through his points and ill finish with some closing thoughts.
His major points:

  1. Group wide buffs
  2. Heroism stacking
  3. One button rotations
  4. Very one sided pvp meta
  5. ā€˜Heart beat’ resists in pvp
  6. End game content gets worn out the more you progress through the phases

1. Group wide buffs
Buffs in TBC are group wide, this means to play optimally you have to set up each group perfectly so each spec in the group gets exactly the buffs it needs. That means each melee group NEEDS an Enhanced Shaman for Windfury, Feral Druid for Leader of the Pack, a Warrior for Battle Shout. In addition you also need a Survival Hunter, Ret Paladin and Arms Warrior in the raid for their debuffs. One of your Enhanced Shamans can’t make it to raid? Well that means 20% less dmg for the melee classes or 10% less dmg for the hunter group, have fun!
I would suggest to make more buffs raid wide, like totems, shouts, Ferocious Inspiration (and not stack), and of course…

2. Heroism
Every raid group in TBC will do some level of Heroism stacking. Either on their Hunters or their Warlock group to maximize dps. That means someone has to mid fight open his raid tab and switch in Shamans to use their Heroism, and then switch in the next Shaman, wait for the first heroism to expire call for the next Heroism, and then switch another Shaman in. Needless to say this is extremely cringe and stupid, and I am certain Blizzard never wanted Heroism to lead to this kind of gameplay. So PLEASE add the Sated debuff like in WotLK, complete with all the hotfixes, to prevent degeneracy.

3. One button rotations
Classes like Warlocks, Elemental Shaman, and Boomkins still have to press one button for their pve rotation, which is very boring. Especially Boomkins really need some love, because there is no sane person in the world that actually enjoys Boomkin gameplay in raids over any other class (for real). Warlocks have interesting pve talent specs like Fire Destro, but playing it in raid is just very unwise to do since your Arcane mage has to spec fire, which is way less dps, and Fire Destro is still a small dps loss, and does not scale as well. My suggestion is to give Fire Mage and fire Destro Warlock something unique to bring to the raid. So Warlocks can have a choice to play the one button spec or the Fire Destro spec.

4. Very one sided pvp meta - 5 ā€˜Heart beat’ resists in pvp
These are some concerns I have heard a lot during my time playing TBC. However, I am not a pvp-er beyond Classic Vanilla, because I do not enjoy Arena pvp. Arena enjoyers please give your thoughts on these.

6. End game content gets worn out the more you progress through the phases
I think Blizzard can add more end game content by bringing Rated Battlegrounds to TBC anniversary. I think a lot of classic players enjoy Battlegrounds over Arena pvp, adding Rated Battlegrounds gives players more ways to enjoy end game.

These are the ā€˜problems’ I think a lot of us TBC enjoyers were met with last time playing TBC classic. To any readers, please let me know your thoughts, and like the post if you agree. Hopefully Blizzard picks up on this.

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I fully agree basically with all your points. Alas, Blizzard doesn’t read EU forum, and even if they did, I have serious doubts they’d consider such sweeping changes.

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buffs/debuffs are a terrible idea for class balancing, even worse when it comes to spec balance. Best solution would be to get rid of spec specific debuffs/buffs and tune accordingly. Your example with:

ā€œOne of your Enhanced Shamans can’t make it to raid? Well that means 20% less dmg for the melee classes or 10% less dmg for the hunter groupā€

This would still be the case for the specific specs you only want one of unless you want people to respec regardless of their gear or desire to play the spec.

There would be zero value in having more than 1 SP, same issue specs like affli & arms already had. Not to mention 2 hunter specs being useless(though this would make MM viable for a trueshot bsh), similar with rogues, entire class useless if not for expose armor.

You would also just see people running totem of wrath healer shaman and an enhance, nothing else when it comes to shamans.

and probably 1/2 resto shaman because chain heal is awesome. But the win is that the enhance and resto shaman aren’t critical to have, in the sense that when you don’t have both your raid will suck, and people wont enjoy the raid night as much.

I think going to a more WOTLK style raid buff/debuff style solves a lot. How they do it i dont care, they get paid for that. My point is that the TBC way of buffs and debuffs is just not fun, ESPECIALLY heroism stacking.

Or just leave it as is. It does not have to be ā€œoptimalā€ You can always play Dragonflight if you want to experience all that glorious modern day gaming.

Rated BG“s to substitute pve content? Laughable idea.

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I agree with most points except changing classes.
I dont think it would be wise to change classes in tbc. Even if it means one button rotation.

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If you want to make 5 man buffs raid wide, they need to be nerfed andhave the game rebalanced. A 125 AP aura for example on 5 man equivalent to 25 AP aura on 25 man.

Imagine raid wide boomkin 5% spell crit on 3 groups.

The game is already easy enough as it is so don’t make it easier by removing raid opti mini games

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Too many changes. The only change you need is the raid wide lust with a CD

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