I had friends and guildies who left the modern game to play Classic in 2019 and they never came back for end of BFA , they didn’t even bother with Shadowlands. They were on classic every day , every night for it’s whole duration.
They were hyped for TBC , they got to 70 first week. 1 month later they don’t log in at all anymore People I knew haven’t come back online. Not even to check out 9.1
I’m seeing negativity about tbc on youtube.
What happun ? TBC has been voted many many times as THE best WoW expansion EVERRRRRRR Like TBC for many never got surpassed … so how come no one wants to play it. Those who are playing it are thinking of quitting ?
Can you guys tell me ? What does this mean for Classic woltk and beyond ? Why was Classic vanilla so popular and made people want to log in every night but tbc isn’t ?!
TBC was great. The issue is it’s the expansion that is the victim of time more so than any other.
Classic is the OG. Everyone was curious to either see the roots of WoW for the first time, or to go back and visit. It was also the first revamped WoW. A lot of buzz in the air surrounding classic WoW brought a lot of people and it held onto those people that want that journey, the grind and sense of community. Classic appeals to the old school MMO players.
WOTLK is more accessible (I’ll use this word in place of “casual”) . LFG exists, people can do dungeons easier, PVP easier, the UI is a lot more modern. It does a very good job at appealing to the modern era of MMO-RPG players.
TBC is awkwardly in between. It’s still not as accessible as WOTLK and it’s also not as modern. On the flip side, people who want that grind, that journey, have already fulfilled their desires with classic.
Blizz went cashmode with TBC between boosting and everything else they promised us in Classic they wouldn’t add.
Completely changed PvP systems, honor system, MMR systems and all.
Did nothing to address faction imbalance despite them making other changes instead
Decided on giving SAME FACTION battlegrounds instead of fixing any servers.
Kept servers, and zones absolutely sharded or ‘layered’ so even trying to level alts in old world feels awful and devoid of people… Made worse by people being allowed to boost to 58, shocker.
The sweaty, minmaxxing culture prominent in the community which was hoped to not be present in Classic is indeed there and quite a big part of the endgame with logs and now arena.
So many buggy things because they made the game on the SL client and whatever changes of behavior there. Hyperspawns and everything else exist now when they didn’t in real TBC, think of the prepatch where people were being invited to other servers.
Most private TBC servers provided a ton of incentives for players to roll alliance in an attempt to even out the factions. A lot of us begged Blizzard to do the same, instead they provided a free boost that could be applied to either horde or alliance.
TBC is one of the most fun pvp expansions there is. Combine that with an insane min/max attitude in classic and the vast majority of the player base will spend their boost on a reroll to horde.
Personally I rerolled to alliance on one of the more balanced full servers because I knew the BG queues would be messed up. A few weeks into the expansion and Blizzard proceeds to launch horde vs horde battlegrounds, effectively removing the only incentive to pvp as an alliance, in a pvp expansion.
Now the faction balances are so skewed that it’s not even fun anymore. Heading over to dungeons will result in several corpse runs, and populated farming areas are off limits for alliance, which in turn inflates the auction house.
It’s basically a decision to reroll horde, or transfer to a pve server that’s left for a lot of the alliance.
Pvp servers with 70-80% horde is also killing the fun for a lot of the horde population. Both factions are needed to keep the game exciting.
What truly baffles me is that this issue was brought up several times before launch. There was even a massively upvoted thread on the US forum that predicted step by step exactly what would happen without alliance incentives/boost for alliance only.
Again Blizzard show’s the “You think you do, but you don’t” side of themselves. Us players know nothing, they know everything.
I played it, leveled to 70, did a raid once and uninstalled TBC. I have a few reasons for that, and none of that is optional fake hate reasons like optional boost or whatever deluxe mounts that has no real effects on the endgame gameplay.
The been there, done that feeling just hit me hard after leveling to 70. I just like to think about the “what’s next”. That’s pretty hard with a more than a decade old game that everyone knows.
Gameplay is just clunky compared to retail
The current TBC has nothing to do with what TBC used to be when it comes to the community. When me and my friends played it back then, dungeons and raids were a “oh yeah, we could do that as well” instead of everyone focusing on those, trying to minmax content that a raid full of insert worst spec in the game could do.
TBC classic made me feel like that the only classic versions i would play are MoP and Legion. Everything before that is just too outdated for my taste compared to retail.
It’s a bit bizarre that people would use the boost excuse, the game isn’t any different at end game for the boost. It just allowed more people to try it.
Its not Bizzare. The boost leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth. Just look at how people were literally /spit on for using the Deluxe mount. Coupled with one having to pay bucks to keep a character in both versions of classic.
The rest is obvious stuff like the majority of pvpers being horde and as such face giga queues. Content consumed in a heartbeat. Etc njada njada.
Also TBCC appears to me as some sort of test ground for the removal of factions for retail (considering the same faction BGs etc)
And this
While Outland was awesome as a follow-up to Vanilla, in retrospect its much of the same with (painstakingly) slow flying, harder dungeons, and huge rep grinds…
The ‘summarized’ TBC Chromie time more than makes up for the TBC experience for me.
I was actually spat on very little. It’s just a few loud mouths on the forums generally who support that kind of bad behaviour.
The one guy outside the portal who tried to instigate a hate campaign on me for having the mount was told to be quiet by other players. We were all waiting for the Dark Portal to open. It was refreshing to see that the bulk of the playerbase isn’t so petty.
Apart from my mount there was no way of telling I was boosted. All my gear had been replaced in the prepatch.
The main thing for me with the boost is that it was very, very predictably going to throw any faction balance out of the window.
The fact that they went through with it anyway was when I decided ‘re-walking old paths/roads’ wasn’t worth it anymore.
First of all, they simply implemented the final patch of the expansion instead of keeping each period of the game true to it’s design. Second, they introduced a store mount, which simply was not a thing when TBC was real. Third, the community plays it very differently from how it was back then. So it isn’t resembling TBC much. To put it in short, TBCC doesn’t feel at all like TBC.
I know several people who would not play TBC classic without the boost, it was for them. They simply stated they had no will, intention and time to lvl vanilla again, and especially if their friends were alreaday lvl 60. Stop using boost a spacegoat.
On the matter of same faction battlegrounds, alliance was barely affected since matchmaking system still prioritizes allies vs horde. If anything, the outdoor ganking was reduced since horde could now actually play bgs without sitting in q for 1-2 hours. I am sorry, but that was simply unacceptable.
Coming from some1 who played alliance toon for 10 years in this game, the sad truth is that alliance is simply less inclined to play pvp. Racials are not that important, since Perception and Escape artist are both really powerful in pvp, and stoneform and even shadowmeld are very decent.
I didn’t even notice TBC is dying, doesn’t seem dead to me?
But some posters here already said it: retail has too many QoL improvements over TBC. Back in the day, BC was a good. In 2021. it is simply outdated (but still has several things that imho are better then modern WoW, but there are several factors at play as to why it is hard to just reintroduce them).
They can’t fix factions for retail, so how can we expect them to fix balance in Classic? By screwing up Horde players by nerfing some Horde races to the ground, triggering some #nochanges players?
Why aren’t Horde players moving Alliance instead of complaining?
imagine how SL would look like if Blizzard stopped wasting resources on legacy expansions