i guess you didnt watch the clip
No, I did. Didn’t see any deep freeze there either.
More importantly, I’ve got access to the beta and logged in to check myself, so yeah, there’s no deep freeze. And the wowpedia link says it was added in the start of wotlk as well, so there’s that too.
then i guess you missed the part that i didnt actually mean deep freeze, i meant frost nova refusing to break on damage after 6 shattered spells acting kind of like deep freeze
that was meant to be the funny part
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the same for me, I played all the extensions and the pvp from cat to wod is for me the best (especially at the end of the extension)
Will still blow this festering pile of cat poop out of the water. At least i can level and gear alts without playing against people with 30 more ilvls than me at 1k rating.
Well~ ilvl =/= power increase, kinda (at least in the sense you’re alluding to, by placing weight on it being 30 ilvls). For example the stats weights are different in TBC than they are in shadowlands, after all. And you’ll definitely be meeting better geared people in TBC, especially since the set limit of “Arena Points” as it’s called in TBC, will timegate the gearing through PvP, while PvE won’t suffer the same limit.
So there’ll undoubtedly be some lucky and better geared players topping the ratings from the very start. Resilience might catch up to the PvE gear once enough time has passed, but it’s hard to say before it happens. But you’ll without a doubt be better off by mixing PvE gear and PvP gear compared to only wearing PvP gear, in TBC.
What you can know for certain is that once black temple hits, then PvP weapons and so on will become kinda obsolete, so you’ll want your own weapon from there asap when it comes out. Not to mention Stormherald and so on.
And of course by balancing game this way, the game will be boring “who has more cooldowns”.
That’s why I enjoy TBC more.
It’s totally about reaction if you don’t kick Convoke in less than 0.25 seconds and you die because of that.
if you think noticing an ability in 0.25 seconds and reacting to it properly isn’t about reaction speed, then I doubt you even know what “reaction” means
because of worse balancing, less budget
today they have budget, but classes are basically template + minor changes, thus it’s easy to find one class being straightforward better version of different class
no? if thats the case you would play against nightfae boomies all day while in reality they are not that strong. They are good but thats it. Convoke is a big cd but if you stun it after a second or 1.5 seconds it will most likely not kill you instantly.
but why did you say
when in reality you are extremly limited to only a certain meta specs compared to SL. Doesnt matter if its because BC had no class balancing at that time. They wont change anything so BC has way worse spec diversity.
That’s not true. That’s illogical conclusion.
Also there are videos of that being done. If that weren’t true, then it couldn’t have been recorded happening multiple times.
I’m not saying they do that consistently. But sometimes you have to react that fast.
I’d not say so. Since specs themselves aren’t diverse enough in SL. So I believe TBC has actually more diversity than SL, even though you can play only like 5-6 classes
for same reason I say everything: because I think so and I want to share it
we talk again when you play lock/druid mirrors for 40 min in a few weeks 
Well that one is bugged from what I have heard. I expect it to be fixed.
clearly my post was what did it, i’ll take all the glory for this one
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/titanium-nova-ice-lance-calculation/279752/2
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Compared to other competitive games wow requires probably by far slowest reaction time. Usually you track stuff like convoke/Wings/combust/dark soul via omni bar + some weak aura. Since wow is scripted af you know what exactly is going to happen and when it’s going to happen so its not really like you need to react to random stuff fast its rather like you know someone has incarn up he’s about to press convoke soon (well most people play kyrian anyway). Overall you just know what Is going to happen and how you are going to react long before it actually happens.
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Fun fact: I met a balance+rsham in 2v2 the other day, and even without skyfury (pretty sure he didn’t have skyfury at least, don’t remember it being used for that), the boomie with kyrian 100-0’ed me in a bash+sunbeam in ~1½ gcd after the mighty bash.
When we faced 'em again, we had peel up the same instant the bash+sunbeam combo was used, and after they tried the combo for 2 incarns they left the game on their own (that time the sham tried to combo skyfury into it as well, but their oneshot tactic failed due to the peels every time that game).
That was on 2.2k mmr in 2v2. It means they’ve been doing that crap up to a pretty decent rating.
That was around 1½ gcds after the bash+sunbeam combo was used that the damage came out, that I went from 100-0 in less than half a second from when I first took damage from it. It was a pop-everything-in-one-macro trick that he was using, but it shows reaction speed is what truly matters there.
There is also clips of rets hitting one target, getting an aoe of that damage amplifier 1m cd they have, then they randomly swap to some other target that was hit by that aoe and proceed to oneshot the rest of the hp on the target that wasn’t even being hit by anything else before that aoe.
I’d argue reaction speed is very much a key factor in Shadowlands PvP. It’s just that to succeed on high level, it has for a very long time been about anticipating what’s about to happen, or like the meme goes “be a jedi, read the future”, so the mental preparation is already in place to make it less of an impulsive reaction and more of a planned counter-move.
On low rating however, where people can’t read ahead that far, they have to consciously react to every new event that occurs, which slows down their reaction speed, and that has some detrimental effects in Shadowlands.
Well not really cos as you said Its just about experience. The reason you lost your first game against boomy/resto shamy was that you didnt expect to die not because you reacted 0,2 sec too late.
Well yes but actually no cos i guess when new season starts etc. You need to do some limit tests so you know what scenarios you can survive and whats proper reaction. I dont think people lose because they reacted slowly cos game would be too fast but because they dont know proper response/limits of their class etc. As you said
Extreme example of this is affli locks death bolt it can hit you idk for 80% hp and it has 0,5 cast time so it seems like you need to be on drugs to react to that but in reality it takes like 6 gcds to setup that so you had like 5 sec to react to that. Most stuff is really adressed so you can react even before it actually happens. Another example of how slow you can be and still win is me - i have prolly slowest reaction time ever, usually play with 100ms yet i’m able to interrupt fel domination pet cast in most cases even tho it has like 0,4 cast time or something.
Yes, but even if you know Druid has Convoke ready and is in stealth, it doesn’t change the fact, that you don’t know when he’s about to pop from stealth and use it.
You realize that you don’t have to use it literally when it’s ready, but you can wait a few seconds, right?
True. That is predictable.
Even Seraphim makes Ret goes predictable (you have a full GCD to react).
What isn’t predictable is however stuff like convoke or combustion, that you can use in T0 and it does damage immidiately.
It’s not like you have to use 5 GCDs before Convoking.
Even R1 players don’t react fast enough to high rolls.
What 40 euros?
TBC pvp was great. It isn’t without it’s flaws, it’s not perfect but it was a slower pace, you had time to think about what spells to use/trade and you felt that if you lost it was your fault and could learn from it.
Fast forward to now where a Ret blows you up in a global and you’re left wondering what the hell happened.
(ps, to all the andy’s out there thinking about typing “iT’s nOT hArD, LoOk foR tHe WinGs”, don’t try to defend this current meta, no class should be able to delete you with 3 buttons, that’s not good game design)
You can easily lose due to resists in TBC though if you have a string of bad luck