So you used 20% warriors (still kinda a lot). But how many ret palas and moonkins did your guild use because that is a better comparison.
It really isnât, because these specs are actually pointless in Classic.
Not only are they pointless, they are also not fun to play (Unless one considers autoattacking very slowly, or being OOM 90% of the time âfunâ).
There is a world of difference between a spec being actually, mechanically pointless, as in âdoes barely any damage and brings no benefit to the raidâ and a spec being ânot the best, but viableâ.
One of the most important changes introduced with TBC:
There no are memespecs (unless one willfully builds a clownshow like meleelock).
Every single spec works. Will a Boomkin top the Meters? Probably not. Will it be so bad that taking it into the roster is detrimental to the raids ability to clear content? Not by a long shot.
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Even in min/max meta You will want boomkin and you will want ret paladin in raid but not fore they dps but for tools they bring
you got classes that you bring for buffs/debuffs slots and gear slots but you got fix slot fot them, 1 ret paladin is realy cool , 2nd one is kinda meh
you will want ret ele/enh feral and bomkin for buffs/debuffs but you will stack other classes for dps. Shure Warrior and rogue can do good dps but lock and hunter can do much better,
Yes you dont need perfect class composition to clear tbc content but alot of people who will spend time on organizing raid grou will aim for it, why bring warrior who will do 1k dps if you can bring hunter who will do 1,2 k ?
Why bring a class that will struggle to do 1k dps while having an actual rotation and having to be careful to mechanics at the same time? When you can stack classes that throw shadowbolts or arrows from afar and do 2k dps while watching funny cats videos on youtube at the same time.
Itâs not that hard to figure out whatâs going to happend in terms of raid composition in TBC Classic and why.
Not only that, but Iâve seen some gameplay from these private server players. Theyâre⊠far below average skill level players to say the least. Bad players trying to define and determine a meta is a recipe for disaster.
Not like the Meta is determined by a secret council randomly chosing what class and spec is flavour of the month.
Its detemined by numbers and utility adding to those numbers attempting to find the best combination. The things that can change them, and the Meta, is changes or new discoveries within those calculations, e.g armor values, formulas calculated differently and spells.
Itâs kinda obvious. Unless a class does most DPS, while also beeing able to uphold it, it needs to bring value in another way which increases the overall damage (directly or indirectly). Easy as that, no secret evil private server council pulling the strings.
This showed up in my suggestions. Warriors still look pretty good to me.
Hell this almost makes me want to roll one.
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If you could get into a current tier raid as a boomkin/ret/spries/dps shaman, you will have easier time getting into TBC raid as pretty much any spec. Only guilds that stacked, say, over 12 warriors in Classic will stack BM/Destro in TBC. And even they will take one of each buffing /debuffing class plus a rogue for glaives.
The only limit is where you end up, not only in terms of guild but also server. In RP servers for example a lot of people is more focused on having fun with friendly players rather than doing high performance speed runs.
If you still arenât convinced I let you know this: I currently raid Naxxramas as a Shaman Tank
Yeah, my guild on ZT RP-PvP progressed (and is now farming) Naxx with a boomkin, a spriest and a feral offtank. We had a ret too, but he left for Shadowlands. But we have recently gotten a paladin tank, which is unexpectedly awesome on spider wing trash, tanking Anub, kiting on gluth, holding alot of trainees on Gothik etc. Really underrated spec that.
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Warriors in TBC are awesome but there are some issues.
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They are super popular, but you only have 2-3 spots in a 25man raid including the tank main tank.
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Fury is much harder to play than other classes in early gear, in Karazhan unless you have Windfury youâre probably gonna be lacking, especially if youâre not really good with rage management. Whole class is super buff reliant, scales very well but is almost disabled without those buffs.
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Prince is weak for melee in Karazhan and pugs might build around Prince
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The tank is probably a Warrior and doesnât want you rolling on T4 helm either.
Join a guild and play, lots of guilds have flexible schedules and alt raids. Warrior is great in TBC but its a very popular class, there will be more Warriors than raid spots.
Plenty of us who donât care about the meta.
Games are meant to be fun. Ainât a job.
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Because it doesnât.
Warriors are not 50% behind Warlocks as the â1k vs 2kâ comparison implies. They may be 5% behind, more on the odd really melee unfriendly fight, but all in all, you can clear content without breaking a sweat without stacking the âop classesâ.
As compared to 4 slots tops each for bm hunters and destro locks, or 4-5 slots for shamans. Technically speaking, warriors are 4th most desired class in raid. Rogues and mages generally get 0-2 spots, while druids, priests and paladins also have 2-3.
I dunno youâd be right if this was 2008 but private server trends and the twisted and over-exaggerated view of the ânewâ meta has given people a wildly different idea of how things will be.
Down to the âTBC is so bad for meleeâ when there are maybe only a handful of melee unfriendly fights and itâs less unfriendly to melee than many recent WoW expansion raids. Or down to the perception of Warlocks/Hunters being the best, when in truth the class balance in TBC is very good, class performance changes in every tier and the differences are really quite small overall, everyone is competitive.
TBC cannot be compared to Vanilla, but people are still doing that, some even thinking of Warlocks/Hunters in TBC being comparable to Fury Warriors in Vanilla, when itâs not even remotely close to that. That mentality, right or wrong is what people have in their minds, a warped perception spread largely by people who didnât play TBC to begin with, or were 6 years old playing their dads account.
Itâs mostly just people parroting stuff they heard. Thatâs why videos like linked above showing the world first guilds, and the Fury Warrior video are necessary. Do people really think they know better and that Method ran these specs and comps because they were bad (despite massive success?). Theorycrafting was huge in late TBC, Sunwell especially really introduced the modern min-max mentality, some of those players in the videos above went on to world domination in WoW and average joes today like to think they are better or more informed.
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World first KelâTthuzad had frost mages. Those people doing the kill werenât stupid, they just really, honestly didnât know any better. What happened in the past has little bearing on what will happen in Classic. The guild speedkilling SWP when the last section opens will have a very specific comp for each encounter summoned in for the kill, and those comps will look NOTHING like what it was 15 years ago.
Similarly, normal players will go in after with whoever is available to them and do just fine, just like in classic. Barely anyone killed KT in vanilla, while most everyone who had a serious desire to do so did already in Classic. It will be the same with TBC.
The private server meta of summoning in players after using shaman alts for bloodlust on the pull will hopefully be killed by blizzard in some way for TBC. But yeah you cannot compare Vanilla to TBC in this sense talking about Naxx.
TBC is where theorycrafting really took off, and that really came to the forefront in Sunwell. Like how Naxx really set the standard in Vanilla and changed things going forward, Sunwell was the same in TBC. That said, the speed-running strategies are going to be relevant to maybe a handful of guilds worldwide, that almost certainly none of us are going to be part of.
I played in speedrunning in WOD, we were rank 2 behind Drive (though we had alts from Drive in our guild, so there is that)⊠Itâs completely disconnected from your normal way of killing things and is more a way to keep yourselves amused after youâre walking around in BIS or near BIS gear.
Itâs pointless to even have a discussion about class balance by using speedkills as your benchmark. I mean go look at the end of WOD, it devolved into only running mages, even tho that setup was completely useless on progress. Same happened again in BFA, just stack a full raid of mages for speed kills.
It was completely irrelevant to 99.9% of the playerbase and 100% irrelevant during guild progression. But if you look at the speed-kills of 2008, the numbers the âbad because meleeâ specs are pulling are bonkers, if youâre not in a top guild you wonât be pulling those numbers, let alone the ânew metaâ borderline exploit numbers we see on private servers.
Edit : Private servers also get a lot of stuff wrong, itâs a whole other discussion but they tune the bosses differently and classes donât function as a mirror of Blizzardâs TBC. In particular a problem Pservers had for years and still until recently was steadyshot clipping and steadyshot ratio macros not working the same, which itself may differe in TBC classic due to the new macro system.
Itâs a flaw to think pservers are an exact mirror of TBC.
Very well written and completely true.
@op If you are not a dedicated arena player or if you dont like tanking, dont roll a warrior for tbc. Every single warrior will be forced to tank at some point of tbc.
This is an mmorpg. Meta will always be there, people accept it or not. How many guilds you saw in classic with 2/40 shadow priests?
The warrior of tbc is the priest of classic. 1 spec or 1 slot (if youre lucky).
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This a 100%. And because most GM from current Classic are also MT and warriors who will arena on the side as arms, you can expect 0-1 other warriors. Less competition on gear.
Those GM took prio on gear while stacking fury warriors in Classic. They will stack the new fotm come TBC.
As for those who think warriors are 5% behind Destro lock or BM hunters, i suggest to go and see on youtube DPS comparison in both tier gear and pre raid gear. The gap is pretty big.
Numbers might change in Classic BC, but itâs currently a no match. A warrior will struggle to out dps a Boomkin / Enh with same gear (memes no more). Thatâs where they are at. Not in the same league as proper DPS classes.