You can literally kill al’ar - > clear trash from reaver and solarian and go back to KT, kill him and have 9 - 11min time on weapons and kill the other 2 with a group full of legendary holders. Ok.
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It is very easy now even without legendaries. Did it today and it felt like a raid finder boss.
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My guild did our weekly lockout earlier today. I thought people were over exaggerating on the nerfs: they’re not.
The content is utterly pathetic now, it’s easier than Karazhan. Hell, heroic dungeons are more difficult.
NOBODY asked for this level of nerf. There’s tuning down, and then there’s completely butchering everything. This feels more like the WoTLK pre-patch nerf.
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The roleplayer mage asked for nerfs
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Well, let us not press our luck here. I’m sure Blizzard’s done this for a reason, P3 coming soon and people without at least P2 gear will probably won’t stand a chance against P3 bosses. Especially Illidan. So it is for us to gear quickly for it will be released in January/February. And in my server I still see people who are struggling to get the T5 sets/P2 gear. Vashj and Kael’thas were possible to kill even before the nerfs, but with a lot of good strategy, and a lot of stuff. And the gear, especially from the last bosses, have a chance to drop you know (Also would like to mention that for certain classes, the last bosses drop the many BiS items for some classes, like Mage). And Hyjal from P3 doesn’t add much to gear compared P2, especially not for all classes. But I think Black Temple does and I don’t think even most guilds in my server wouldn’t have stood a chance against Black Temple if it weren’t for the nerfs. Now it’s all easy.
But guilds who had 8/10 had alot of gear no? I also believe that illidan will be the least of a problem to those guilds… getting mother and council down will take them a while.
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removing gear would have been a better option than putting loot on target dummies
That just means that those 2 bosses need to be nerfed then.
If 5 players with blindfolds can’t kill Mother while wearing 0 ShadowRes the content is far too hard.
It’s not my fault I don’t have time to gear up because I have 25 kids and 8 wives and 30 jobs.
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Illidan is just the beggining. Black Temple has more than 1 tough bosses surely, not to mention all the trash, they’ll also be very hard to take down.
It’s mindblowing to me the stupidity behind the decision of nerfing TK…
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Most of BT bosses aren’t really that hard, especially compared to pre-nerf T5. The main thing separating BT bosses (and Hyjal bosses) from pre-nerf T5, and in particular Vashj and Kael, is the hp tuning. T6 bosses are incredibly forgiving compared to pre-nerf T5 ones. To put things in perspective…
On pre-nerf Kael you needed to do almost 3 million dmg in 2 minutes in order to get a clean phase transition, or about 1.6-2 to get a barely doable one. The hardest DPS check in T6 content is arguably Kaz’rogal, which must be killed roughly before 4 minutes or the raid quickly dies. He has 4.5 million HP and you have lots of friendly NPCs to help you. Do the math.
It gets even more ridiculous when you realize that Illidan has actually less hp than pre-nerf Kael and Vashj (especially when you factor in all the adds), and Archimonde has even less than that. Ofc there’s more to a fight than just hp, but the sheer fact that DPS is absolutely not a factor and it’s mostly about executing mechanics correctly takes a lot of heat off actually learning those mechanics in the first place, and leaves a lot more leeway for mistakes.
We won’t have a fight as tightly tuned as Vashj or Kael until M’uru in SWP. Brutallus comes somewhat close, but he’s JUST a DPS check so it’s a lot easier to straight-up fulfill its DPS requirements because there’s a lot less to worry about besides DPSing (compared to Vashj and Kael).
You ppl thinking T6 raids are even comparable to pre-nerf T5 are just delusional. Then again, most of this whiny posts and threads are filled with delusion, hyperboles, drama etc. Maybe you should put less salts in your posts and more salt in your brains (where memories are saved).
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The difficulty of the bosses wont be a problem. Next time we hear from you it will be about the fact that P3 has 14 bosses and that some of your members still need KT and Vashj loot, so atleast 16 bosses/week.
“Only the hardcore forum dads that play 2 x 3 hours have time to clear it all Blizzard, buhuhu”
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Yes, and considering he is happy about bundling t5 nerfs all in 1 go, some of which I might add, happened after SWP was released and having extra ones that weren’t even in the game at any point, i’d be surprised if I don’t see him in the week following t6 asking for nerfs and BT/MH attunement removal since he doesn’t have the time to do the attunement for current content and blizzard is gate-keeping from him that’s paying sub to play MH/BT. He’s an actual “responsible adult” that has got 3 wifes, 6kids and 4jobs to juggle and doesn’t have time for wow…well mate…if that’s the case you got bigger problems than not having time for wow.
Yeah clearly if one had a problem with unnerfed T5 then they will have a problem with everything else. Because it couldn’t be possibly true that, say, Hyjal has more bosses than TK but, whereas most guilds struggled with TK om PTR, Hyjal PTR was cleared very easily.
Do you still remember what common logic is, or was that lost among all your hyperboles and overexaggerations. Do you still understand what the word “difference” means?
ye cant wait for the next phase of his whining 
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"But, but, some people had more raid days and time than others becuase they are “harcore”
Cute. Won’t change that T6 is much easier than prenerf T5 and we won’t see a single boss capable of stopping guilds cold for months until M’uru in SWP. No matter how much you like to pretend otherwise.
But sure, keep on pretending that T5 pre-nerf was just as hard as Molten Core, if it makes you feel better.
Your missing the point as you change narrative. You claimed time was a factor some had, that you didnt, with additional or longer raid days.
If you after 3 months of 8/10 felt time was limited to progress on Vashj/KT, how will you do additional 8 bosses (with more trash than during the previous phase) during BT/MH? Are you not putting 2 and 2 together?
The additional 8 Bosses next phase, with the extra trash = X amount of KT/Vashj tries you claimed you didnt have time with and which was the reason behind the rather late kill.
Your mentality has nothing to do with a specific boss, phase or game. It’s a way of life to always find excuses for everything. Let’s wait and see which one it will be next phase. During Classic TBC was the solution to all, then you started crying about new things. Time will tell, I’ll keep an eye out.
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It’s not all about number of bosses. For comparison, AQ40 actually had 1 less boss than BWL but took much longer to clear. The number and HP of trash mobs plays a much more significant role in clear times than the number of bosses.
I never claimed that TBC would be perfect, and I dare you to quote me saying otherwise. What I did claim back then is that TBC would’ve been better than (Vanilla) Classic in almost every way. And I still stand by my word on that - I’ve not missed Vanilla even once since TBC began.
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