And the modern day Night Elves, the “lowborne” descendants were the ones who rebeled against Azshara back in the War of the Ancients and fought the Legion back, meanwhile it was the Highborne the ones responsible for bringing the Legion to Azeroth, the same Highborne the Elves from Quel’thalas are descent.
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I really don’t want to hate Thalyssra, not after all i went through with her during the Suramar rebellion, i just saw her as another victim of BfA writing, and that includes the Nightborne recruitment scenario, as Allied Races were announced as BfA feature, and happened only after the Legion story arc ended.
No, it’s actually very accurate to how Thalyssra’s reaction is depicted.
There’s zero mention of “trust”, no suggestion Thalyssra ever considered the Alliance, no reason given for why they “need” to join any faction.
Thalyssra just says “Wahh, Tyrande said I might become a murderous tyrant! I’ll prove her wrong by allying my race with a murderous tyrant and helping genocide half the world population!”
It’s ludicrous.
Oh, and they butchered Liadrin’s character completely.
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Honestly I don’t mean to be rude, but it seems to me most people who think they should’ve joined the Alliance, do so mostly because they wanted so, not because it would make more sense in the story. The Blood Elves are their fellow mana addicted kin, who have many faults, but they can relate to and help the Nightborne in ways the Night Elves cannot.
The Alliance and the Horde didn’t help Thalyssra out of the kindness of their heart but to stop a great threat to Azeroth, and the Kaldorei showed contempt towards them while helping, while the Sin’dorei were understanding. Given their similar fates, and strong new bonds it made perfect sense for Thalyssra to join the side where the Blood Elves found their home, it’s consistent with how the story developed and if you still reduce it to sound like it was based on a few hurtful words, then you’re deliberately making a strawman, because you wanted them to do something different but they didn’t.
As to the BfA war things, those things never made sense from most of the Horde leaders’ perspectives, basically any besides Sylvanas, so that’s not really a solid argument, Blizzard just left logic behind for the sake of reigniting a conflict that along with Classic (at the time) might draw people back in. It was always a poorly implemented situation and Thalyssra wasn’t the only one who had no reason to participate in that shoddily started and for the most part executed war that was BfA. Ironically enough the war related lore and quests made by far the least sense in BfA.
It’s not really a new phenomena but people seem to crack down on movies/games/series that don’t develop the way they want them, even if they’re consistent, like the Nighborne joining the Horde. I’m more bothered by things like BfA where consistency in personalities and events disappears and the events feel overly engineered to steer us towards a destination even when it makes no sense.
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The irony. Oh, the irony.
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I’ll be honest with you, the irony in two logically consistent and mostly unrelated quotes elude me.
“People only think it makes sense for them to join the Alliance because they want them to join the Alliance”
“Also they should join the Horde, which makes sense because I want them to join the Horde”
You really don’t see the irony in that?
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If that second paragraph you conjured up was anything like what Zalren himself put into writing then yes I would see the irony in that.
But, alas, it was not so.
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It’s exactly what he said, I just added some self-awareness.
Declaring that “it makes sense” doesn’t make it true.
I never once mentioned my preference on the side they join, I simply stated there is a logical consistency in them joining the Horde that them joining the Alliance would not have. (I like both sides and I’ve mained alliance for the last 3 expacs almost exclusively.) I just respect the writers’ agency in the Nightborne making their choice as it seems logical and very similar to how bonds build between people in real life. They have shared struggles and ideals and that brings people together.
It isn’t anywhere near what I said, it’s a mere strawman and it’s lacking any sort of reasonable assesment of my words.
Except that “logical consistency” doesn’t exist, which is the entire reason for this thread.
It’s not a series of events in logical flow, it’s a series of events that occur because the writers wrote it, and Horde fanboys bend over backwards to justify it retroactively.
As is clearly proven by you trying to disprove my points instead of attacking my person based on your assumption that I have a Horde agenda when I clearly explained I mostly play Alliance. Alright, imma stop replying to you now so we don’t make this a 2 man debate thread, I think this argument is mostly settled anyway, you’re clearly just upset, it seems my assesment hit home for you.
The irony of accusing someone else of ad hominem followed immediately by using an ad hominem.
Yes, this time I’m explaining the irony upfront.
It’s not “attacking your person” to point out that what you said is obviously incorrect. It’s attacking the argument.
Your original post, on the other hand, was attacking people rather than an argument, asserting that anybody who sees the problem with Thalyssra’s characterization is just mad that things didn’t “develop the way they want them”.
Again: that’s irony.
Why would you think it’s an attack of your person to call you upset?
All my posts were respectful and calm in general (the last one going a bit snide with the sarcasm, but you’ve been attacking me for a while now, based on false assumptions) while all of yours were hostile and condescending from the get go, trying to get a gotcha moment in on me, where there were clearly wasn’t one. You have not in one single post pointed anything out that is obviously incorrect, in fact you have not once engaged with any of my arguments at all, you were too busy playing the gotcha game.
I also made no blanket statements, I addressed a phenomena without singling out anyone to make them feel bad and have made no statements to the same effect as you try to make it out to be.
If you’re not upset then next time engage with the subject matter rather than the person, a rational discussion starts there.
(I know I said I won’t reply anymore but I didn’t want my snide comment to be the last one if you’re gonna try and turn it on me once more, i’m done with you for real this time, have a good one lad/lass.)
The idea that Nightborne joining the Horde “makes sense”.
I can’t simplify this any further for you.
Well, I don’t think them joining any faction makes sense.
I would have loved another neutral faction - maybe one that can work with both as a kind of bridge (which the Pandaren are not, as they don’t have standing armies etc. - they are just individuals who decide which faction appeals to them more!)
Then again, I am a dreamer and an idealist who wants the faction war ended, embassies established, raiding and grouping accross factions activated (can still have PvP because there’s enough disgruntled people who would probably continue fighting each other, no matter what the leadership says!) etc. etc.
But that’s just me 
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She is nothing bu an old hag like all highborne except that one is cheap and dirty ( to have any sex itercourse or be impreganted by mongrel fel elves baaah can’t fell lower except undead and orcs next !) and a cheaper version of a Tyrande, also she is a horde leader What wisdom , which sagacity ? You never had anything but short lived, two brain cells bitting the dust leader after all, no reason that shoud be different !
Thrall? thrall the fool who let hellscream in command and cheated and who ran away !
That and no brain cell emo’jin: look behid you! : procceed to get mortally wounded in the back by some legion random schnuck ! 
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This is what I always thought would’ve made much more sense, too. I don’t know anybody who claims they “should’ve been Alliance” while excluding the work the Blood Elves did.
In a better-written version of events, Thalyssra would have kept to her promise to do better than Elisande and remained neutral, while some of the other Nightborne characters would split up.
I’m thinking Valtrois and Occuleth joining the Horde, since they have more of the ties to the Arcane specifically and a ruthless side that suits the Horde ideology, while Silgryn and Arluelle would join the Alliance, suiting their attitudes and development to being more in favour of justice and helping people. Then players would simply choose which ideology suits them better, like Pandaren.
The 2-faction system is outdated and lame.
I’d rather do what STO and ESO do, which is to essentially abolish the arbitrary factions, only keeping some minor PvP-related stuff, but outside of that let different smaller factions do their own stories and interact more organically.
It’s not like we need factions to have PvP, we have had Arenas since TBC.
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Alleria isn’t a void elf.
You’re 100% right, too.
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Yeah we did nothing here, it was only the nelfs.
You for sure a nightborne main and absolutely not a nelf main. 100% obvious.