What did they do to delves? It was pretty good in party before people started complaining it was easy. smh
You did 11’s? Damn
I got 4 times killed on a 5 because i do not have enough interrupts for the boss. After that i barely managed to grind slowly through a 6 in 75 minutes Died twice too.
I dont agree. The whole playerbase is ~ 40 ilvl lower than max.
Its absolutely normal that things 1-shot and slap… What is not normal is to expect to clear content the 1st week its released.
Delves are supposed to be an end-game pillar. Like Raiding and M+.
It would be really odd if 1st week Mythic raid is available everyone (and I mean EVERYONE, not just RTWF guys) clears the Mythic Raid on the 1st day.
It would also be super odd to have everyone sit in 5000 rio simply YOLOing a +32 dungeon on Day 1.
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Nobody anywhere in this thread has used the word impossible.
Also nobody is complaining about not getting free loot - everybody was seemingly happy with the level of solo challenge up until yesterday. The fact it has changed in difficulty since the hotfix for solo players would appear to indicate the hotfix has change for solo runners and not just grouped runs - which is what was being called for by many - to remove the trivialisation of Delves as a row filler for the vault.
In a group the difficulty of T8 delves was too low relative to the gear rewards (item level). Running through a T8 delve with 2-3 people was much easier than even doing a M0, and you got substantially better loot.
I do believe this needed changing, but my issue is still that some people got 610 items from maps (completely luck based), but a friend just told me about an easy way to get 610 weapons (via PvP weekly and PvP crafting),so this may not be an issue after all.
t8 = reccomended ilvl 600
if people are 590 ilvl then they shouldnt be getting one shot by normal attacks or casts. Sure it should hurt and have challenge too it but completely unvoidable damage that high is a massive scaling issue.
End game pillar they are not. they only give heroic ilvl gear whic hisnt endgame (it might be for some people but its not engame)
I did not do 11s ! Other people did. But in a group.
I did 8s in a group for the gear. Im an M+ guy, not a Delves guy.
And you know how the M+ season is … not to get left behind in Rio early on … you know what I do. So I naturally went to get the free 603 ilvl gear in Delves. Im fully geared now though. Dont need anymore delves, just crests to upgrade the gear.
And next week il be full Hero gear. No need to do Delves.
I will give them an honest try though. As it was intended : Solo. So later on in the season when I get bored of pushing il do some Delves and see how far I get.
Except… a recommended ilvl , as stated by the delve entrance interface, is 600! which I have, more than actually. So other than talking out of your 4ss, would you have any advice on how to deal with 2+mil poison tick on my mage from one of the minibosses that you just cannot pass through?
The title says it quite clearly.
We must be inhabiting differing realities. People were screaming blue murder about the solo difficulty.
I see
Yeah i do (or will do) dungeons on my shaman. I made the choice to do outdoor/solo content on my monk as brew since everything seem to duck as healer. I am 1; bad as brewmaster and 2; 567 (now 571 after the delves and some valor upgrades).
I am not hurrying ilvl for my shaman (582 now). You can not get left behind by rio in No pressure.
Group size is the core issue. It’s mathematically impossible to tune the encounters to be similar let alone exact for one person and for five persons. Especially when you factor in all possible combinations of classes and specs. Some might decide to go with five tanks or four healers and one dps whatever.
They achieved fine tuning in Mage tower precisely because it was solo only with four iterations for each role.
Delves should have been SOLO ONLY!
But hey, let’s make everything into vegetables and turd smoothie so everyone can to take a sip.
I bet you wrote this just to get reaction. You dont care for delves rly…
Why?
It’s a MMO, not a single-player game. I don’t mind content having a solo option, but I feel in a MM0 all content related to progression should be available for group play.
M0s are way harder and only give veteran gear.
If only you could easily check my armory to fact check yourself before hitting “make stupid post”
So you’ve managed to quote the bit that doesnt address the bit you’re ranting at me about in your response, and apparently you have not read my whole initial reply.
Let me quote myself properly to respond to your reply that was clearly written in a fit of anger at what caused you to create this thread.

You’re right.
These were trivial for groups until the hotfix overnight/late yesterday.But as others are kicking back - the hotfix is a complete and utter cluster duck (a gaggle of ducks) - that has probably killed Delves for Friday, and likely the weekend, as they probably wont want to make any further changes on a Friday.
And as you say - being honest here - people running these in groups to fill their vault rows with high level rewards - were/are the ones defending the ease with which they were able to do these when grouped before the hotfix because they know they’ve gamed the system - more so now there is a hotfix to change the level of challenge those groups were experiencing.
Essentially I am saying that the hotfix is to quote your words “a total clusterf*ck!” - I think I said Cluster Duck. So that renders your response completely superfluous and ranty in that respect.
And yes people running what many perceived and was sold as “Solo end-game content” in groups is definitely not treating it as we were led to believe it was intended.
So those filling their vault row this way is definitely gaming the system - explain how it isn’t?
I’m not anywhere saying they should or shouldn’t have been allowed to run it as groups - although you apparently are saying they shouldn’t.
However, if you look back at the announcement post back long, long ago it does say to bring a friend or two - so they probably are intended to be able to be grouped - just not at the level of ease they were at prior to yesterday.
And whatever it is they’ve done to ramp up the difficulty of solo delves today is - at risk of repeating us both - a complete cluster **ck.
So please stop venting your anger at me when you’re clearly incapable of processing that I too think the hotfix is a joke.

filled my vault with lvl 8 delves yesterday. Have said since i started t8’s on weds that 5 man needed adjusting. Solo needed adjusting also.
Yeah - I respect that point of view. Recognising it was poorly tuned is the first step to understanding why the hotfix was needed - but the hotfix has really missed the mark.

I bet you wrote this just to get reaction. You dont care for delves rly…
On main, no I dont. On some 595 alts, well, I do actually.
Checked it and saw nothing special for such a big mouth.
For Ilvl 603? Have a day off mate.