That is your opinion. If you wish to believe that they are a genderless couple, neither gay nor straight, or anything else, good for you! You can believe that. But please don’t try and force the idea that they cannot be a gay couple onto those of us who chose to believe that they are a gay couple. If you really want to debate it, go start your own thread, as this thread was meant to be a gathering place for those of us who do see them as gay to share our happiness for that.
Again, if you don’t see them as a gay couple, that’s fine and I have nothing against you for that. Just please don’t come to us with the whole “umm acktaly-” because um actually we will still see them as gay no matter what you tell us. We won’t try and convince you they are a gay couple, don’t try and convince us they are what you believe, and we can just respect other people’s opinions without having to throw the “you’re wrong” “no u” around because it’s a fantasy video game and these are alien ghost deer that don’t exist, so we can all be right at the same time. It’s called headcanon.
Some replies in this thread are so immature, can’t believe some people go out of their way to voice their disgust on the sexual orientation of a npc or furthermore in that on how 2 people should love each other. Especially when the impact it has on your own personal wellbeing is zero .
If you do feel like it impacts your enjoyment of a game, you need to pull your head out of your a$$ and realise everybody is entitled to have aspects of this game they enjoy. Not just you.
This game is big enough for everybody to be happy.
So please, if you ain’t got nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all.
Gay people are not the cause of your problems. We all need to work together if misery is to be kept at minimum.
They are referred to by male pronouns.
They refer to each other as husband, denoting two males in a relationship.
But you decide that because they’re aliens “male might not mean what you think it means” despite the fact for all intents and purposes, they use the words exactly as we understand them.
“But male might mean genderless as in angels” okay, so rather than take the widely held assumption of “male = gendered term” you’re going to assume that it is just as likely it means the very specific term you understand it may mean instead. On what grounds?
They talk of a relationship they talk of marriage and they talk of emotional attachment. It’s very likely it means male as in gendered.
Angels use male pronouns but do not talk about being married to people, nor being in a relationship with them, not being romantically attached to them.
So where’s the similarity? Why assume your definition is just as likely as the obvious one? Technically you may be correct, but everything in the game so far suggests you’re wrong. You’re assuming the least likely outcome with no evidence to support it simply because it’s a potential explanation and you have the audacity to attack the logic of others?
Let’s say my garden is attacked in the night, and small footprints that look like rabbits are there, and all my veggies are eaten. I know rabbits frequent the area, my neighbours report it as so. Your position is akin to suggesting that it’s logical to assume that actually rabbits may not have done it, but actually the Australian Cabbage Fox did it, as their footprints are identical to rabbits, despite there being not anecdotal evidence it was those foxes whatsoever and there are other signs that suggest it’s more likely it’s rabbits.
Like, you do you. But don’t sit there and think people are being silly for assuming male means the very commonly assumed definition rather than the incredibly specific one you have in mind that applies to a very specific sections of scripture and belief in a specific religion when there’s absolutely nothing to suggest it’s being used in that manner
I will assume they are a gay couple because they are shown as two males in the Shaowlands.
If you take a straight couple, then one of them is trans, so now they are the same gender, you now have a gay/lesbian couple. The fact that they were ‘straight before’ doesn’t matter.
But in their current forms they are genderless, so they can’t be called gay the same.
Only one called the other husband (and I know it fairly well becouse for testing I made 3 chars in night fae)
Also their current forms are genderless due of them being basically fairly animal gosths, your reasoning would be validated if they have the fauwn or the centaur form.
I guess you have a point. If we don’t know everything about them, we can’t assume they’re gay.
Which is why from now on, it can only be logical to assume they are bisexual. In fact, all NPCs are bisexual, since we haven’t seen all of their lives, and can’t logically assume they don’t like the other gender.
This is my LOGICAL assumption and I will be invading threads where I am not wanted to inform people how their beliefs that NPCs are straight/gay is entirely incorrect because logic.
Where does it state their current forms are genderless.
Their form is a costume, it houses the soul, which is the sum of that which they are. That which loves, recognises and feels. That is the same
You’re essentially arguing their sexuality stems from their physical bodies and that because animals (with animal souls) don’t have sexuality per say, not do spirits presumebly, that these individuals (whom contain mortal souls) don’t have sexuality either.
No evidence to suggest that. They still talk of eachother in affectionate terms. Doesn’t strike me as they’re now magically genderless or consider themselves such. Even if they technically are (given they’re ghosts) they still consider each other partners and within a relationship of sorts. So for all intents in purposes it’s representation.
You may as well argue that just about every cartoon that represents love or whatever isn’t actually doing that because “technically animations can’t feel emotions”. Like I said you’re overcomplicating it for the sake of being contrary it seems.
Are they ghosts? Yes
Do ghosts have sex? Assuming no
Do ghosts have physical feelings? Assuming no.
Do they identify as a gender, yes
Do they identify as the same gender? Yes
Do they identify as loving each other? Yes
Congrats thats homosexual or bi or pan representation. Going “Actually they’re ghosts and ghosts don’t technically have gender so no it isn’t” is just being pedantic, especially when the game in question shows spirits as identifying themselves by genders and talking of romantic feelings and stuff all the freaking time.
Logic, seeing as it’s being throw around a lot, has a principle called the law of parsimony, you probably know it. All things being equal, the explanation with less explanations required is accepted
In this case we know:
They refer to themselves as males irrespective of what they actually are
They refer to each other as romantic companions.
The least convoluted explanation is “they’re gay or bi”
You instead suggest a different explanation that requires us to entertain notions we don’t see, and to entertain possibilities that are not given suggestible weight relying instead on open ended speculation. Logic is not on your side.
Logic is about what is reasonable, not about what could theoretically be possible no matter how convoluted it. Based upon what we know, assuming they’re gay or bi is a reasonable conclusion. Claiming they’re not isn’t unless you have a more sensible alternative (and we just don’t know is not one I’m afraid)
I was mainly referring to the whole “oh they’re genderless now, because that’s the way ghost stags work” angle above. A really strange take, and that’s putting it diplomatically.
At the end of the day, the voice actors are clearly guys, they were married in life - they’re gay and it’s fine. Debating it further and trying to drag real world biology into the conversation is a really strange direction to go in, and that was my briefly phrased point.
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