Differences aren’t so much that Alliance players can’t play the game or are still so unfavored to make it impossible.
Think also that the game genre also was new and we didn’t know 1/20 of what we do now, so many exploits and differences between factions weren’t even known by the majority of the players.
Saying about the cm reminds me of this video. It’s still funny even today!
love it 
This one of the reasons why i prefer older version of vanilla.Cause many things not nerfed and there was a balance.Tried to describe it a bit on some posts but people kinda make fun of me cause its known that olders versions had many bugs but the essence of game is trully more balanced in terms how much hit u take from the guards and so on.
Finished a game right now
Russians rushed backdoor, solo pulled Vanndar and lost in 9 minutes
“We horde dont need exploits to win / You can defend backdoor with 1 mage”
Sure bro
Even when it’s not russians, there are always a few guys exploiting the backdoor to cap bunkers or aid station. BUT premade was exploiting, not this according to blizzard. premade was nerfed 3-4 times, these exploits still remain
It’s obvious where the developers play
If you want a change, do something for it. It is so simple and I did see it on so many pservers before.
IF YOU DON’T NEED REP DONT QUEUE AV ANYMORE!
Why? Because then you will have thousands of horde cry posts about AV queue times. Why there are no posts right now? Because they wait 30min and basicly win every game. But what if they wait like 2-3h? Well then good luck try to get Hornor or Rep in AV.
If you do not need Rep from AV, go play AB or WS! Your hornor per hour is higher than on AVs. And it will create a huge queue time for horde players which leads to more threads about AV and this will lead to changes because as many said before, horde did cry about “premade” AVs, they changes stuff. So you don’t have any #nochanges by now anyways.
So don’t create many posts, just don’t queue AV. I know AV-weekend is coming up, but still, do not queue AV and you will see the result.
There is also another effect from this. If you play Horde the best pug method to farm honor is AV and with ques up to 1+hour we then go off into the world Blackrock Mountain and farm the opposing faction for honor. I kind of feel bad playing like this, corpse camping low lvls who are simply trying to get to their instance and such but that’s the method Blizzard are forcing upon us.
I would like long AV battles like in Vanilla WOW and I would also like Blizzard to address the Premade issue that is also contributing to PVP being a negative experience.
No one is forcing you to kill low level opponents. Its your personality only.
Of course they are, if you want to compete with honor/standing then you will do this
Compare what you earn to what you cause to other players. HONOR points…
Learn from Sourfang mate 
AV is so bad to Alliance players that for the first time, I didn’t feel bad when I lost a game yesterday.
How hard is it to fix backdoor? Why don’t they do it? I really wish we ALL (at least the forum users ) unsub for a month, as a warning. I would gladly follow.
its not that horde cares about you killing lts its just that we lose honor if you cap towers etc. when you wait 40min at q you try to get as much honor as possible.
I dont think there is anything bad camping LTs back at your own side of the map. When Ally was winning with “premates”, I did farm as a mage kinda the same method, but more like killing 5 to 10 Horde at the same time by trying to get so bunkers or what ever.
But as a rogue on Horde now, it is sooooo boring…
I don’t even need to go to Ally base and solo bunkers, they will fall anyways.
I just think that fair AVs would be more fun for all.
And if Blizzard doesn’t change it, well then force it and don’t queue AV anymore. It’s the most powerful statement you can have as an Alliance player atm…
Alliance wins every single WSG match.
Alliance wins every single AB match.
Seems balanced to me, that we at least have 1 out of 3 BGs where get more than 1 token per game.
Ah yes, back when horde lost half their games. Natually this made them furiously take to the forums and demand blizzard change the game. Can you believe that they lost HALF of their games? Unthinkable. Good thing blizzard put an end to that.
+1.
There is literally no a single Alliance player that queues up for AV with the expectation of have just a litte fun. It’s all because of the rep grind.
95% winrate for any faction should be enough for Blizz to get on with fixing AV. And it wouldn’t hurt to increase the reputation gained in there, so that reputation farmers can be done faster. Then either fix the map itself, or give Alliance some sort of help in there. The state of AV right now means that alliance simply can’t win. It’s impossible. Any horde team losing right now must have f*cked up beyond imagination, because it should’nt be possible to lose AV as horde. That’s how imbalanced AV is.
I get you mate. I haven’t read the rest of the reply’s in detail as i have just come across this topic, just skimmed through them. But imho, after the AV premade change, it did go all 100% for horde re AV/Bg’s. I also do not think its just map related too as others have mentioned previously. I do however think its more comp spec’d… i.e lesser healers then horde (shammy is a fun class to play imho) but that’s no excuse tbh. Your comment about horde defense? I think that is just decent tactics. However, all Alliance have now (if they cannot get into a premade) are a near 100% loss rate ratio across all bg’s, loss after loss, after loss. The AV fix really screwed over Alliance on a total win ratio basis, predominately as the servers do have more horde pop EU wise. That is though just one factor in many more. What you could have had at this point of time if all the #nochanges was still in tact is - Alliance dominating AV, call it like 80% ish of time, but horde (given the more premades population wise) dominating WSG/AB, same again % wise. That’s another story, not for this thread topic, but i think much a fairer situation overall.
You also have the ‘easy’ back peddling premader’s (Horde/alliance, they think its skill, but its not tbh). People in both factions will get found out in TBC, 100% re arena. The perspective atm is to put the hrs in (efficiently) then get the rank. WSG/AB is atm totally destroyed from an alliance perspective, especially! I cannot say the same for horde as i do not have the experience? Maybe someone that has experience; re horde, can give a more accurate account of the current state from the bg’s situation atm?
I was thinking the same? Just cancel my sub until the TBC comes out. People will then have to actually show skill in PvP to get the best PvP gear in a competitive arena setting - accounting for the resilience factor. This will cause an uproar on the forums from the current rankers then, trust me 
Both, (and you both know who i’m on about?). Just read my reply and ‘try’ understand all this crap that i; and the majority of alliance/horde puggers are going through atm? Maybe research it XP wise? Tbh its akin to trying to lvl all over again as soon as P2 came out. Unless you r very very clever? You should b then quite clearly working for Blizz, no one ever forsaw this current situation re bg’s given classic’s return into the marketplace.
Basically, sucks lol!
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