Sorry for the following post but i seriously need to vent somewhere.
I like to play PvP occasionally but i am seriously considering to stop this whole endevour.
While its possible to get even and fun matches in AB and even in WSG the Alterac Experience just is not enjoyable at all anymore.
I dont get why people play like this but its killing the whole pvp fun for me (Trying to space the 3 battlegrounds out a bit for the turn-in).
The usual Alterac starts like always, people rush to the middle, get killed and then the horde starts farming - Yes FARMING us like pigs on stoneheart.
To top this of the horde actively defends all LTs and Towers so that all alliance players get absolutely nothing from a 30-45 minute game of pure agony.
Why is Blizzard not stepping in there?
The #noChanges can go f*** themselves if all enjoyment is seriously hindered by this playstyle.
People are actively stopping other players from getting anything just out of pure spite or something.
To all horde that do this: I really hope your queue times will increase evermore.
Greetings from a horribly salty AV Alliance Player.
You mean, that Horde players, shouldn’t defend their LTs, Commanders and towers? I can’t understand why would anyone say that.
Your goal is to take 5 nodes in AB, capture 3 flags in WSG, kill enemy general, LTs, commanders and destroy towers/bunkers in AV.
I suspect, that players with OPs mentality, are the players who don’t know or care about WoW lore. It is a WAR game, where you try to dominate.
PS: if AV map is imbalanced, Blizzard should fix that. But that’s a different subject.
Horde have favor in the alterac valley map.Alliance can win if they have a leader and not roaming around like mindless lemmings which is most of the times when i join av, People can cry hours how this happend but when av is about to begin noone wanna lead noone wanna say a plan noone wanna do or act what do you expect.And 90 percent of alliance dont know to do the backdoor to the hut is hilarious.Av needs struggle to win otherwise only lose.
It is extremely simple. Horde wins 95% of the AV’s, this means the map is somewhat Horde favored.
In general it could be that the Horde is better in playing PVP, but not to an extent where they win 19 out of the 20 games.
Blizzard wanted to bring the real classic experience #nochanges. But when the Alliance found out they could que together and use Discord to win, and thus, left the Horde chanceless, Blizzard directly made ingame changes. Please do that now aswell. Implement the TBC map and give us at least a fair AV.
The map is imbalanced and horde attitude is sh***y
The other problem is the low levels and leechers. in my AV at the moment i have 11 low levels. It’s impossible to win when the mid section of AV is completely imbalanced and the only allies playing this are low levels or undergeared people farming rep
A) People ignored the leads commands
B) 1/8 to 1/4 of the raid is often AFKer, Bots, or low energy/effort, lemming mode players
C) People whining and complaining at leaders when things don’t go their way
Having these 3 happen regularly with AV has completely discouraged me from even attempting to lead these days. The combination of the cons of instant queues and toxic players discourages those of leading.
Fix both backdoors and move Horde cave souther.
If after that, Alliance still lose badly, I am sure, we gonna be discussing, choke points, graveyards, Galvangar vs Balinda and other differences.
PS: I honestly want things to be fair. And let the best team win or even dominate. And yes, that means zero honor for those who perform badly as a team. Not letting LtS, Commanders, or towers/bunkers to be killed/destroyed.
PS: crossleam BGs, has one huge disadvantage. You are not motivated to fight and defeat your opponents. If I was high ranked, and my realm was losing constantly BGs, I would consider myself obligated to help. Just like in wPvP. But now, who you gonna fight? People from parallel universes?
I know exactly what you mean cause i also lead in av.When people listen commands we win when they dont its lose.Good thing you can do to ease your pain is to join at least with 1 stealther friend so even if people dont listen and lose the match you have squized some decent honor.
I honestly can’t believe the back door exploit hasn’t been fixed. Back in the days when the same AV could last for a week it didn’t matter, but when classic AV lasts for less than 30 mins, it’s a big deal because you see it in every game.
Horde can completely bypass 50% of the alliance defences just by following the path to the exploit. It’s ridiculous.
Also the alliance towers are so easy to cap. You can stand on the pikes on the lower level and cap them without an archer even taking a shot at you
You have to kill one archer to capture a bunker. How many you have to kill to capture a tower?
Also you can sit inside and defend it. Horde players have to fight Alliance players and bunker archers.
The backdoor exploit, is a fact. They should fix it. But until then, try to defend it.
If our queues, wasn’t so long, I would try to rank, as a 5 man group.
You are wrong about bunkers vs towers. Horde towers are even easier to cap lol, and only half the bunkers even have the pikes you talk about… The pikes are equally useful when trying to take the bunkers back too, whereas you can’t stand under the floor of the tower and take it back so defending it you don’t need to look out for those sneaky ppl…
Sorry, there might be some map imbalance but I think the problem is more about the level/gear of the players doing AV and their state of mind going into it. If you think you will lose it increases your risk of losing and instead of trying to win you try to just get what you can before it ends. I’ve seen many games where the alliance should have won where horde barely had any defence and 20 alliance was just waiting at FWGY…
A couple of weeks ago the alliance was doing better (winning maybe 30%?) and actually using the same tactic as the horde (take each GY and push slowly, while killing every enemy you see) but now I don’t know what happened because lately I won 100% of games I joined…
Access points to AV Alliance bases are more and close to the base while Horde “backdoor” is actually jumping over a defended fence about 2 meters away from the actual entrance.
Horde racials are beneficial in both PvE and PvP far more than Alliance’s even if you consider Fear Ward.
Most of the high end weapons are Axes (benefitting both Orc Warriors and Shamans who can’t wield Swords) and a lot of Swords have enough sword skill to make the human racial unneeded.
Shamans get the only pre-raid set with an epic item which is BiS for Warriors too until AQ40.
Horde as better fly paths and fly masters’ locations.
Outside personal bias I can’t think anything else.
Remember that in vanilla times Paladins had a “class dev” that didn’t play Paladins and a CM assigned to the class forum (this was closer to TBC though iirc) once told us that Paladins were fine because of their Purge spell that added a lot of offensive and defensive viability.
We are talking about a company, that created the best (or successful) MMO game of all times. Would they risk money, because of “Lok’tar Ogar”? And I read that the game was developed around Alliance faction.