Agree. This is what Blizzard should have done ages ago: Disable world buffs in raids.
It is never too late. Blizzard, please do it.
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One aspect to consider is that the head/heart buffs incentivise guilds running these raids to a greater extent. Often filling up spots with “others”, allowing people opportunity to learn these raids and gearing up.
The structure where there are incentives to run through lower raids is good imo. That’s one thing to keep in some form.
Could be buffs but could also be a few bis’ish drops per raid-imstance. Like eg DFT or tear etc.
April 1st but yeah lets get srs
Guilds don’t need this to be incentivised to run old raids. Guilds will run old raids because some of the loot is still good in later phases and BiS throughout classic such as doing MC runs for Thunderfury, BWL for Tear etc as you said.
I will just point out that Blizzard would LOSE money from removing WBs. How you ask? Well there are plenty of people that have multiple accounts for summoning alts to DMT/STV and outside the current raid. I know my GM alone has his main account plus 3 others so he can summon that’s £30 extra a month they receive from one player just so he can get his guild world buffed much easier. I’m pretty sure he isn’t alone and plenty of other players have summoning accounts to make WB collecting easier.
I’ll keep asking for them to remove WB’s at any chance I get I’ve already mentioned why WB’s ruin the raiding scene such as making boss mechanics trivial, making gear upgrades trivial, them being a chore overall forcing players to clear a dungeon just for a buff but not only that wiping with WB’s completely sours the mood of the evening and for those who want to compete with other raiders it can ruin the fun they would have as they now have no chance if they somehow die to something that wasn’t their fault.
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I would like to add few things.
If it’s April joke - ok, but if it’s not:
- You dear Blizzard are late with the changes only with year and half.
- This change looks very much like retail change. I smell crap here and I smell a lot of future craps.
- Instead of making some really weird changes, why don’t you just disable the WBs in raids?
- Thank you for making a change (no matter good or bad) to wow classic when nobody will care and will participate in TBC.
- All the above (in my opinion) proves that you guys become a joke.
- No offence to the Blizzard poster.
Have a good day!
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Right, I forgot to mention that. No offense to the individual messenger, it’s just the company that is blatantly out of touch.
Some people like the buffs that they give, since they feel that their character feels so weak without them.
It’s why I’m glad they won’t be in TBC 
Yes please. And don’t forget barber, transmog, LFR, group finder and other fancy stuff. Oh and of course last, but not least - pet battles.
My previous reply was to this comment.
While I acknowledge the buff preserve problem Blizzard want to tend, The solution seems worse then the problem.
“Chono-bono-supur-duper-magic fabric machine”? It so much retail kind of thinking. The kind of things which make retail some kind of super-hero wannabe loose world - which is one of the reasons I quited retail long ago and have no intention of coming back.
While there are certain changes i can live with with classic, this one doesn’t bode well, and can be the first of more changes that will make classic too much ‘retailish’ and marvel-style for me to keep playing.
P.S: this is also the reason I don’t believe in “Classic+”, though the idea itself is great. Blizzard as a whole and Blizzard writers of today had strayed too far from the classic way of thinking, and are too much locked in a modern American way of thinking and writing (and politics as well), that everything that they will write will be “retailish”, even if presented in a “classic outfit”.
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Will it really cost 10g per pop?
That could add up a bit per week…
If you’re going to make changes, just have world buffs instantly clear when you enter a dungeon, raid or battleground. So much simpler and also acts as a buff to content. It’ll still be easy in retail standards but more interesting doesn’t hurt.
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This is a disaster.
So you have me play for one and a half years, building all my characters and then you introduce a fundamental change like this?
#nochanges
World buffs are a thing, I don’t like the meta, it’s caused mainly by the bigger server pop. This change would make it even easier to stack world buffs, if anything it should be harder.
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Personaly i welcome this change i am casual raider … well define casual but no speed run and such not going for flower… but still
If you remove WB when enter raidnaxx be super hard nearly imposible for lot of the guild … yes sure it be autentic becouse back in the days 1% bla bla bla… but we rly wann such autenticity? I play classic becouse i had no option to do it back in day and i rly enjoy it its old school RPG…
So removing WB kill casual raiders. For lower raids liek AQ BWL MC… we just grab optionaly zg and ony wich is not hard to get zg pop 15 min before ony we hs to sw wait a bit pick ony get inv to raid get sum log off till all are in palce while we on discord. so no big deal. Becouse we get WB just before the raid. But when it comes to naxx we need DMT and its hard fidn ID with taxi so some ppl do it rly erly and then thy are as we sai in WB prison. i have tank friends and many are geting buff evne day before radi in case soemthign happen any thy die thy can rebuf. Many times i heard sorry i cant come tank your raid / dung help becouse i am WB… and this is excelent solution. between keepign WB for casual ppl who need them to pass saphiron loatheb and KT… WHile thy be still able do dungs and help ppl. this is very welcome thing… sadly it comes such late.
just reminder let ppl buy it from vnedor in SW so we dont need to do even more travel otherwise it lose efect. Unles you buy it once and its forever? and if soem HC speedruner enjoy WB meta to mae world records well its their way to play.
Also one hour CD on 2H wb is excelent agin for casual naxx raider… we can pop WB on patch clar construct go to plague … then store WB agin go spider… military and we be still WB for saph and KT and evne if we raid two nights we just will need 1 WB tour. well in case we decide stay on classic wich we wont mamyn of us do copy if not much expensive to just preserer our acomplisment adn be part of some comunity events. SO its rly sad its come to game such late.
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exactly t h i s !
and i will add on top of it: couldn’t you just create fresh vanilla servers for the players that want to experience the first phases of content (phase 1-2) either because they were not able to experience it when it was current? Or for the players that just want to experience it again?
I really don’t get why we are forced to stay in a permanent phase 6 realm. it the worst phase of the game.
People already use WBs and consumes in BGs, that’s not gonna make any difference. You can dispell them or kill them.
You can’t use it in combat, so you can’t save your buffs on a wipe.
If a rogue saps you as an opener, he could have just had the WBs to begin with. If you’re talking about going around, ganking 1 person with your buffs on, logging out for 1 hour, then ganking another person, that seems like more of a hassle and very much opposed to the driving force of griefing or WPvP. If you’re talking about sapping in the middle of a duel to apply world buffs, then the same could be done with consumes. Pop mongoose, agi elixir etc. That doesn’t really happen.
I also like that the original post said that this was to fix raidlogging, but people seem to completely ignore that. They also all seem to know exactly what the majority of the player base wants although everyone has similar, but slightly different ideas of that in this thread. Seems like people are using “the majority wants x” just to back up their own idea of how the game should be. I guess people just really do not want to play on their mains.
Can people save all world buffs and then cancel them all and recieve them again then log off? Giving them all world buffs + chrono when they expire?
Nope. Saving them removes them from you. When you have a buff saved, another of that buff cannot be applied to you. If you have dragonslayer, save it and then dragonslayer pops again, it will not be applied to you. You can however get other buffs while having dragonslayer saved.
It’s not. A lot of guilds can clear naxx even without WB’s, including Patchwerk and Loatheb. Guilds that clear it in one night never do Saph/KT with WB’s even…
It’s really hard to read your post but I seem to discern you’re a casual player advocating for systems and mechanics so that ‘casuals’ can clear raids. This whole mentality started the current retail trend and LFR.
Classic raids are a joke and not even remotely hard, if you can not clear them without WB’s it’s on you. And yes it can suck you only have time to play one night a week for example, but other players shouldn’t be the victim of that, should they?
I’m not sure if this is a server difference, but a lot of guilds rebuff before Saph/KT. Some do it without, some rebuff.
Kinda of true, but at the same time, what is summoning the entire raid to outside the raid entrance if not more similar to retail than vanilla? This item would make it possible for every raider to make their way to the raid themselves.
Casuals can still get WBs, summon to raid and try their hand at the raid. The only difference I can see this item making is the fact that you can do easier parts of the raid and then applying WBs for the harder parts.
There’s also 39 others in the raid and a lot of things can be suboptimal on how the guild chooses to run their raid. It might be that this person is one of the people doing the right thing. I also do not understand how anyone is a victim. Are people a victim of WBs? This items? It seems to me like most people upset with this item is upset that WBs was not removed entirely and that this item seems to suggest that this will not happen. I can understand that sentiment, but anyone is free to choose how they play the game and if you and the majority don’t like world buffs, then you should be able to convince your guild not to use them. Warcraftlogs even have leaderboards, rankings and parses for No WB runs.