The great push!

I went to MMO. Saw that day 3 video, clicked it. I wish I did not, I could not watch it for more than a minute.

First of all, there is an empty 33 minutes which I had to make an extra effort and click past this time.

Second of all they need to work on the layout. We are not ants.! How am I supposed to see at 1/4 screen, let me choose which team to watch.

Last, I noticed in the comments everyone saying ECHO cheated. Can someone tell me what cheats they used and which minute? Was it that impactful? Do you think Blizzard should disqualify cheating teams?

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They are using a MD bug that causes the effect to be permanent and misdirecting the infinite spawning Rigged Plagueborers to the tanks. Because the Plagueborer cannot reach the group due to pathing it will snap instantly to the group. The plagueborers explosion scales with keylevel and deals a ton of damage and hits friendly and hostile targets

TL;DR Frag is staying at the stairs after Virulax and attacking the plagueborers then they snap to the rest and go big boom.

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Looking at the youtube vids comments and then searching for the bug mentioned brought this up this from Wowhead which should explain it.

Apparently, there is a bug with misdirection. If you cast it on the tank and he clicks it off, the threat of the hunter would transfers all the time. This being able to pull of a certain ā€œsnapā€.

In my opinion, it is not a ban-able offense. I think some still remember the Bug in Tol’Dagor, where a rogue could transfer thread for 30 seconds to the tank by casting Tricks of the Trade on him and jumping straight into a canon. Everyone abused the hell out of it - it was barley possible to find a +15 without a rogue. There is a certain part of the audience who just wanna see the world burn and honestly, they should get a life.

Another reason why some ask for blizzard to disqualify Echo is the snap strat in itself, which is beyond ridiculous.
Blizzard ā€œintroducedā€ snapping by how they coded instances themself. As long as they’re not able to fix this, they seem to tolerate it - at least they did so for the past 4 years. And guess what? Players abused the hell out of it during this time as well.

Let me ask you this: if you find a way to pull a dungeon off in time with a strategy blizzard seems to tolerate for years and by doing so, win a tournament, would you do it?

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Using Tricks with the cannon is completely intended but MD working without having to apply it and being able to MD regardless of distance clearly isn’t. Remember this is supposedly the same blizzard that banned a guild for using saronite bombs LK25HC and then unknowingly triggering a bug.

This should disqualify them from the tournament. Otherwise people can clearly exploit in the race to world first and the arena tourney cos blizzard gave the green light for exploits where players can just call it clever use of game mechanics.

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Yes, that’s why they fixed it towards the end of the expansion in addition to nerf the canons (yet, the tricks bug still made it was easier). I’m talking about being able to redirect threat for 30 seconds instead of 6 (making it a permanent way to transfer threat as well). People used it to do most of the trash count and it trivialized the whole last part of the instance.

Blizzard banning Ensidia for using Saronite Bombs is still something I don’t get. Every capable rogue did it, there were logs that showed Nahiko doing so for every boss and it’s hard to find a trigger when those same logs don’t even show that any siege damage was done. In addition to that, no one, literally no one, cared about NM LK25. Whatever.

Nah, it should not. Similar stuff was used in the past and no one was disqualified. Blizzard would’ve simply asked to not use that bug, instead they gave permission after they’ve been ask.

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Tricks of the trade and Misdirect does not work the same way. Similar but not the same.
So you can not actually compare.

This MD bug if it is not being fixed can be used to infinite kite anything in any dungeon.
Threat would never be an issue.

It has so many more implications then just using it for this.

Don’t see the difference between this, or when we snapped entire dungeons to one spot where mobs couldnt hit the healer and DPS (atal’dazar)

Or siege of boralus, there we also used spotters to kill everything.

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So a guild that spawned out of remnants of method does questionable stuff? Color me surprised.

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On the top people use everything that is currently in the game. I am fine with it. Those PF runs were impressive. Congrats to Echo.
I have watched together over the 3 days a couple of hours too and it was a quite cool event :slight_smile:

Snapping was intended to fix the issues with pathing, one could argue its not intended to have mobs teleport across the entire map when they couldnt normally get there.

Simply a coding oversight with regards to the limitations that mechanic has (or doesnt have).

AFAIK spotters were made unable to kill bosses ? therefore unable to trivialize the entire encounters.
So at least there there was no oversight.

If Blizzard wants tournament without bug abusing - may be they should provide the game without bugs then?

Just saying.

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So mdi is about how many bugs you can find to exploit the dungeons to shorten time

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Echo would have won even with just a +27 PF because they had the best times overall.

Also, it’s not like the other teams wouldn’t have taken advantage of the same strat if they had the chance… they just didn’t think of it. Echo outplayed everyone else.

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echo wins due to their genius :smiley:

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Of course I can compare them in this case. Honestly, I’d consider you a bad player and I’m not actually shocked that you don’t get it.

It’s not really got anything to do with who the guild are, although some guilds have had their raid kills invalidated when using certain dubious tactics in the past. Helya comes to mind

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5ei76r/statement_about_helya_situation_and_some_other/

Sometimes Blizzard punishes guilds, other times it fixes the loopholes afterwards.

I kind of agree with sentiment though:-

It never ceases to amaze me what clever players will figure out. You only have to look at the crazy things that Rextroy discovers or the tactics RWF guilds will come up with etc.

Tricks of the trade does not work the same in how it deals with threat.
So no you can not compare them.

It also did not give you Permanent tricks of the trade for the whole instance and is not limited to 1 instance but can be used in all instances. Not just was that limited to one instance you had to bring the instance to them.

It is funny how it only took me replying to you for you to go in to person attacks.
You really have nothing to say.

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If you want to follow a specific stream, look for streamers streaming it. There’s no way you can have casters cast all matches while you can pick whatever match you want, simply not how it works.

Spotters were never intended to damage other mobs ^^ and they did trivialize the whole dungeon.

And negated certain mechanics, you can seriously not defend it while saying what echo did was wrong this time :confused: