Echo asked Blizzard if it was okay. Had Blizzard said no then Echo would just have finished a +27 PF the normal way and still won. Echo had the best times overall for all dungeons combined so let’s not fool ourselves to think that they just won because of the +28 PF.
TL;DR - Echo got 157 points but they would have won even with 156 points.
Apparently the MD bug has been around (and known) since beta, kinda sucks that it needs the traction of a tournament for it to be dealt with (assuming they actually fix it).
It never cease to amaze me how long it takes Blizzard to address those issues especially harmful but nonexploitable ones, like when you pull packs trough the wall and ruin the key.
Or for example certain talent and soulbind ability combination for Rogues make us unstealth each time we recieve friendly buff: Someone died on BG and refreshed buffs - you unstealth, Wildwalker passed by and gave you movement speed aura - you unstealth, Hunters pet passed by - you unstealth, Guardian Druid passed by - you unstelth.
This is a know issue for 6 months at least and still not fixed. Ho is that acceptable?
Sorry but at this point, my stance that there is no exploits in the game - if something not working as intended - the developer is the only one responsible.
Using MD bug is clearly cheating, without a doubt. There is no need to argue it.
WoW is a good game to play, but extremely boring and unrefined game to watch. We have been having exactly the same format of M+ for 3 expansions. Activities are declining because of boredom.
MDI & Great Push shows Blizzard’s desperate to promote and revive it. But I don’t think it will help much. M+ is on a steady road to dead content, unless some fundamental changes are made.
I feel you, it’s so frustrating when you fail to time a key because of bugs. 
It would’ve been interesting seeing people’s reaction if it was the chinese team Skyline the one using this strat.
I don’t think it’s Echo’s fault, they said they asked the admins and they gave approval.
They defenetly should’ve stopped it, since it abuses a bug and the ruleset clearly states that is not allowed.
The event was great but the ending feels bad, with lot of people calling the winners cheaters.
MD bug is clearly cheating. But calling Echo cheaters is totally unnecessary.
Skyline had the best PF27 run with 0 death and 4mins left. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they can finish PF28 with conventional strategy without using any bug.
Great Push is just a fun event to watch and enjoy. All the teams are incredibly good with a few seconds difference. There is nothing worth arguing or blaming. Some kids just take it too serious.
I agree with this, however when Blizzard allows for the use of bugs/exploits in a competition they delegitimize the authenticity of being a games company that wants to push esports within their games.
If you don’t set strong rules for these competitions you end up with the issues like what we see highlighted in this thread.
And Echo didn’t even need to use the strat to win. They had the best times overall in the rest of the dungeons. If Blizzard had told them that their strat wasn’t allowed, then they could clearly have completed a +27 PF in the normal way and still have won.
Also they used a lot of time completing the +28. Even with their strat it was still incredibly hard to do. They wiped multiple times. So if they had know it wasn’t allowed, they could have used that time to maybe complete a +26 DoS instead.
Pretty much this. It’s very boring too. Watching the teams run the same compositions - reminds me of the Overwatch league where every team ran GOATS composition for many months on end.
Then why use an exploit if they would win regardless?
We can’t know that. They may have not been able to do the 27 without their strat, cause they didn’t practice the mushroom one.
And their 27 wouldn’t have been so fast, Skyline could’ve won at tiebreaks with faster times.
Maybe they would’ve won anyway, we can’t know that.
Damage is allready done now.
Even if they deserved to win cause of their skill, a lot of people will just call them cheaters.
They knew that using the saronite bombs wasnt intended to restore the platform. Lets not kid ourself. Ensidias raid leader litereally ordered his people during the kill to ignore the valkyr since they didnt drop people off anymore. Also it wasnt 25HC but 25 Normal.
As for this push Plaguefall thingy: Its beyond me that Blizzard didnt hotfix it before the tournament given the “bug” was known and similar stuff had been fixed in other instances (necrotic wake mob oneshotting boss for instance).
Should they receive a bann this time? No. Or yes. Im neutral this time. Should they have received a permanent suspension during Ny’alotha for their proven Real Money Trade already? Yes. And their RL should have received an official statement to be forbidden from ever streaming the game again.
First off to be clear echo didnt use MD on the plagueborers, Frag auto attacked and feign deaded thats it from my point of view it isnt a cheat, and tbh the best have won on a creative way.
Because they didn’t know at the time obviously. And since Blizzard gave them the green light to do it then they might as well be on the safe side.
But the fact is that they didn’t need the +28 PF to win. They were the best overall team in the other 5 dungeons.
He abused a misdirect bug. He used misdirect on the tank at the start and cancelled the buff. This causes misdirect to last for all the key.
If he was just feign deathing the mobs would just reset.
The other teams tried it and they couldn’t do it cause they didn’t know about the misdirect.
It’s extremely likely. Because they of course asked Blizzard if it was okay BEFORE practice. So if Blizzard said no they would have practiced the other strategy.
And let’s no fool ourselves. Echo is an extremely good team. They were the best team overall in the other 5 dungeons. They got the WF +27 HoV Tyrannical. So of course they would have been able to do a +27 PF with the other strat. I have no doubt. (Not a fact, but I’m 99.99% sure.)
In the other 5 dungeons Echo was 45 seconds ahead of Skyline, so they could have finished the +27 PF 44 seconds slower and still won. As you say we cannot be sure, but I’m very confident that they would have done it if they had practiced that strategy (which they would have if Blizzard had told them no). Especially considering all the extra time they would have had for not doing the +28 PF.
Disclaimer: I agree with you that we cannot say anything for sure. The above is simply my analysis of the likelihood for one outcome to happen based on the facts we know.
Not a bug. The player inside the cannon generated the aggro. Tricks redirected the aggro.
Very different from a permanent threat redirection which shouldn’t be in place at the first time.
I find the entire topic somewhat difficult, given the nature of Blizzards earlier ways of handling people who abused bugs (see Ensidia and their Lich King kill).
Did they ask blizzard if it’s ok to exploit a bug in order to snap mobs way beyond where they were intended to go?
maybe to show how bad this company is lol