So what? I really don’t get the general uproar. Yes, I have DBM and weakAura installed, but I’ll be glad if I no longer need them. Same goes for all UI addons, of which I also barely use any. Especially if the games gets simplifies as announced, we won’t need those addons anymore, so who cares? Base UI has worked totally fine for me for the past almost 20 years.
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Thats nice that it worked FOR YOU.
YOU are not the entire playerbase. Who are YOU to forbid others their wish for customization? YOU are not impacted by it.
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Don’t worry, take a deeeeeeeeeeep breath. All will work out. You’ll also learn to play the game as it’s meant to be played. 
Not having addons is normal - costumazing the game on a scale WoW has allowed it is very irregular when compared to other games; and it made the game worse.
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2 main reasons:
- Customization. Players have played years with customizing their ui and making it how they want. As I said I do NOT want to stare at the number of an icon for hours when playing my shaman. WAs made the game better for me by giving me the option to display that as a bar. There are countless examples of similar cases that blizzard will mess with.
- QA. If something was broken in the past, one or two addon developers had to spend some hours in order to fix their addons in order to work around the problem blizzard created. In the future for every problem, blizzard will be the only one able to provide a solution, and we all know how fast they are in fixing problems with no bugs introduced.
Sorry but no, game was never meant to be played without addons.
The most diehard part of the community uses addons for everything, just because the game cannot be played without those, and i am not talking about raid encounters only.
The game would have not existed in the way it survived until now without addons.
Well that’s a bummer…
People are gonna say that they heal with standart UI no worries. But it’s a straight up preference and a way of life at this point. Plus if you haven’t raided hardcore in any role - then i believe your opinion is only worth half.
Yes, you can do without addons - but no way can you argue that using only base UI is on the same level.
I’ll try and set up the new Druid i leveld up without using Vuhdo and see how it goes. Maybe I’m being overly dramatic lol
Somebody actually thinks I am somebody else?
Now thats a true forum badge of honour if I do say so myself. 
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The “infamous” lynlia, welcome welcome 
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Yeah sure. I’m absolutely convinced the largest part of the WoW player base doesn’t even know how to install addons. And I’ve never needed to download an addon to “fix” something WoW changed. 
The largest part of the wow player base logs in 3 times every year, plays for 2 weeks and logs out.
The people that make the world feel alive are the people that are invested. When casuals check the game once every 6 months and sees how the game is going, he is gonna check the players that actually play the game.
Without the “base” of the playerbase, all the casuals and seasonal players that check the game once every X month come back, they will just find an empty game that they will get bored, make a forum post about how wow has died, and log out.
And about the fact that you did not need an addon to “fix” the game, is not about yourself, but about the content you are doing and how much you are trying to achieve that.
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Thanks for providing, things like this always raise suspicion without sources.
Having seen the US forum and the blueposts with aknowledging they need to loosen their restrictions, I see your concern now.
I fail to see (due to my lack of LUA understanding) why tainted code (which non Blizzard addons are as soon as the UI loads) prevents them from plainly changing the look or font of UI elements, but apparently for reasons Blizzard is currently looking into, those things broke with the implementation of secret values, though they shouldn’t have.
So given that, we can be assured Blizzard will make those functions available again.
They never intended to block off UI customization and action bar addons.
Point is: if I’m able to do it, you young & big boys will be able to do it too. 
I play all the content that matters (PvP was always just a gimmick mode), but I do delves, M+ and raids (well, raids not so often, because I dislike being stuck with 20 other people for an evening trying to kill one boss and not getting anything out of it, because fights by themselves have become a headache instead of being enjoyable due to ability bloat and class complexity.)
Nah, because those don’t use the forums either. They log in, enjoy the campaign, do some open world content and other things they can do without having to interact with people that are way ahead of them; and once they did all they can without having to study guides and third party content to progress in game, they quit until the next content patch.
Hopefully, blizz will focus more on that instead of repeatable endgame content for those who never want (or can) log out. Interesting quest lines, good stories and lore tidbits to discover all over the world, that was what made WoW good in the first place; not a shiny UI or challengeing encounters.
Oh, and before you tell be “go back to classic if you want that” - I never played classic, and I most definitely won’t play a game mode where VEs don’t exist.
I am not expecting much from Blizz…or anything at this point but lets see what happens. Contrary to some forumers. WA is more than just “a raiding/m+ addon”. It allows nearly limitless customization of your UI.
If Blizzard forces me to play with their boring, buggy and bland UI…then the loss of m+/raid WA will be the least of my worries…
Are you kidding me? The most used hero spec for shamans CANNOT TRACK its resource without weak auras. I literally cannot play that spec without weak auras even if i wanted to for something more than doing world quests.
We still use the same nameplates from the original game, they cannot be edited. You cannot play half the specs that need dotting and debuff management on m+ with those nameplates.
No, just pointing out that addons are there for a failsafe. Example:
They introduced the default ability tracker, that works just like a weak aura. At the start it was pretty bad and most people did not use it. The new options they release make it WAY better. What they are doing is making the base game good enough step by step, while having the weak auras and addons inside, so that they can provide them time in order to make things better.
And what the people that are making the addons that enable this customization say is that it will kill customization.
We are providing feedback that the changes that blizz made, makes their target goal (which they stated to keep customization) impossible.
Sorry but that is not true.
Doing normal raids is not the same as taking CE, or doing +5 dungeons is not the same as doing a +20.
Not saying that you need to do it, just pointing out that if you tried to do that content without addons, you would see the problems that base ui has.
I am not saying that addons need to stay like they are, just that blizz overshot their target by A LONGSHOT and needs to backtrack a bit in order to not create shadowlands 2.0.
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Any self tracking sound popups due self tracking weak auras for self tracking buffs should be allowed and their is nothing wrong with that, you seriously expect me to focus my eyes on that tiny bar with tiny icons to track my own buffs so much to a point i forget i stand in a fire ? yeah good luck with that addon ban is total over reaction from Blizzard and it will fail horribly if the reason for these addons are ignored, its because people die in high keys if you fail an interrupt so its absolutely mandatory to known who used interrupt, you making it harder to play the game for those that do not like to use voice communication, people with social trauma do exist that simply do not wish to talk, so should they be exempt to play the game as result ? because they cannoy clearly communicate they used an interupt for example without addons that tracks who used an interupt ?
Yes you can make macro text chat used interupt but then you have another problem you be focusing on chat instead of focusing on if you are standing in a swirly or not with instances like cinderbrew for example.
The issue is these addons are needed because without them the game is unplayable almost.
Anyway i am one of those that dislikes talking in voicechat, but i feel like i am gonna be forced to voice chat just to do high keys in the future, and then there are probably a lot more players that dislike voice chat.
If the reasoning of these addons existance is being ignored it feels like everything will fall apart and we end up with a worse vision of World of warcraft where everyone is just mad at each other for not being able to do content, without seeing what is going wrong, well it will be pretty obvious its due lack of using voice chat.
Well thats why they are dumbing down the classes well.
Maybe you can watch netflix or something while you are playing WoW with a steering wheel or foot pedals?
Or just put some weights on the key W and go make coffee or something. 
Who are you to want to change the UI with addons?
Good.
I’m happy to hear that.
We are talking about customization addons. No one is against hiding encounter details and communication between addons in combat. We are talking about being able to see your own resources and buffs/debuffs with weak auras in combat.
I gave you an example to exactly what you asked for. You asked for a real issue i have with the base ui in the past years.
I answered that the base ui did not even give me the information to play my hero spec from its introduction. I literally needed an addon in order to display that information that I needed (for my rotation).
Same thing with nameplates, I could not play half the pulls in mythic plus and many raid encounters, due to the inability of nameplates to be edited. The size and options make it impossible to play some pulls without an addon.
The problem is the timeline:
With addons:
- Blizzard releases a feature that replaces some addon
- The feature is incomplete/bad/needs fixes
- The players still use the addons and they are fine
- Blizzard comes back after 6 months with fixes that make the feature good
- Players actually stop using said addon, since blizzard’s feature is actually usable and good
Instead they try to do
- Blizzard releases a feature and also makes addons not work
- feature is incomplete/broken/needs work
- Players that used the addon now actually have a way worse experience and some decide to leave
- blizzard takes their time and after 6 months return and make the feature actually good
- Players that felt strongly about the feature actually left the game and are not longer interested, while those that stayed do not particularly care about that.
I think you are missing the most important point of this thread:
- Removing addons that automated decision making in raids, gave you information that others did not have, or made decisions by themselves = GOOD
- Removing customization addons and ways to actually change how your resources/abilities/bars look in game during combat = BAD
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I believe this is also one of my core gripes.
Regardless how I fee about WA per say.
Outright tearing down a long established addon culture with some “trust me bruh, we can make alternatives” promise…
Had they actually offered their alternative options beforehand to gather confidance that they can actually provide an alternative instead of some lousy “trust me bro” promise…the transition would go with less drama and uproar.
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We expect them to not go “scorched earth” mode on the restrictions and then backpedaling because players are outraged about it, instead it would have been better to clearly communicated “look this is what we envision, we will slowly restrict access more and more to give you time to adapt and if our own solution isnt good enough your addon can still exists until it is good enough”
instead we got “lol sucks to be you mate” and “trust me bruh”
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