The Hidden Addon Ban Blizzard hasnt openly talked about

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Bobnutter-doomhammer

Thanks Blizz, I am on of the few that like the addon changes. The less need for addons the better.

0 m+ done
0 raiding done not even lfr.

Guess that’s the playerbase Blizzard aims this change at

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Alythena-ravencrest

I wonder if I can do same with the default ui what I’m doing with bartender, I have a lot of hidden bars that come visible only mouseover, atleast I hope I dont need to see some bars full macros and stuff I dont need to see. Some binds like polymorph arena target 1-3 and so on are also pretty meaningless to keep visible.

Bartender just moves these frames, reskins them, and moves them around. It’s been working like this since 2007 with the release of TBC which did exactly the same thing to action bars Blizzard just did to the combat log.

It’s a black box and you can’t click it, but you can surround it, hide it, set the alpha, change the appearance and all of that.

I see no reason for Bartender to break.

[Bobnutter-doomhammer]

@Lilíith-draenor

0 m+ done
0 raiding done not even lfr.

Guess that’s the playerbase Blizzard aims this change at

This is not my main and thanks for proving my point.

[Alythena-ravencrest]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

I see no reason for Bartender to break.

It was in the op post but I dont know. But thats why I said I hope can do same with default what I’m doing with bartender

@Sooraj-thrall

Simple Things Like “Health and Mana” or “Skillbar Button 1” are “blackboxed” and cant be accessed anymore, which means Interface Addons, that only change the Look of your Healthbar and Manabar like Shadowed Unit Frames or Your Skillbar like Bartender cant work because that Knowledge suddenly is “forbidden” similar how CombatLog Knowledge is “forbidden” for the announced Combat Addons.

@Bobnutter-doomhammer

@Lilíith-draenor

0 m+ done
0 raiding done not even lfr.

Guess that’s the playerbase Blizzard aims this change at

This is not my main and thanks for proving my point.

Don't Make Me Get My Main

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Alythena-ravencrest

It was in the op post but I dont know. But thats why I said I hope can do same with default what I’m doing with bartender

OP is completely clueless.

[Alythena-ravencrest]

Hope we can continue use bartender then, or that we can do same with default ui what I’m doing with bartender. I have a lot hidden mouseover bars with arena macros I dont need to see.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

Yeah same. I just have them permahidden, which you can do with the default UI. Then if I need to change them I go into editmode, show them, move things around, and then editmode and hide them again. I don’t want them to accidentally pop up when playing.

For Midnight there is a very big chance that I will hide all my action bars altogether. Every last one of them.

Except bar 1, which can’t be hidden.

I’ll find a way That’s the sort of things addons can definitely still do.

[Arueshalae-tichondrius]

@Alythena-ravencrest

I have a lot of hidden bars that come visible only mouseover

You should try, whether this is already possible with the default UI. I found out recently that everything I was using bartender for was possible without. Plus I have far less hassles after patch day and less occasional bugs with the bars.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

Default UI cannot hide bars on mouseover.

You also can’t hide bar 1, which for me is actually a problem because I use bar 1 for my main action bar but I don’t care about looking at it. The information there is irrelevant to me. I legitimately don’t care that my ice lance had the keybind Q. Not relevant.

If they fix that I’ll uninstall Dominos.

[Alythena-ravencrest]

I use macros to #showtooltip some cooldown on those binds that are just something like builder without cd. Like have Ice Lance on macro and showtooltip for Frost Nova CD for the bind could do that if thats of any help but I guess you could also bind only cd on the bar and have builders bind elsewhere hidden

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

Or I can install Dominos so I can hide bar one and then show the cooldown manager (or currently use bars 11-13 for it) and not do any of that.

No offence at all or anything of course, but that just sounds sooooo annoying to set up.

[Alythena-ravencrest]

Could bind only cd to the bar and hide ice lances and such elsewhere

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

Messes with the vehicle UI and dragonriding. Plus, feral Druid. And I hate individual binds. This works for me. I’ve been doing it for 19 years and I came far.

Just let me hide bar one.

[Sooraj-thrall]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

OP is completely clueless.

Oh im completely cluesless hu. (good morning everybody btw).

You know what the nice Thing about Information is?

That i dont have to verify it myself personally as in, able to create an addon.

Its enough to read it from People who are verified Addon Authors “yeah this is broken and as of it right now, you wont have the same in Midnight”.

Which is exactly what everybody can do if they invest the Time to join the respective Discord and without interrupting the respective Authors there, just read the reports of what is broken and doesnt work anymore.

But hey im completely clueless…or am I? Are you perchance?

The only Silver Lining we have here is that its Day 3 of Alpha, but as sooner the Pressure is mounted on Blizzard the more we have a real Chance that they have to Walk their PR Talk instead of leaving the Playerbase hanging and we have to deal with messy incompletee Slop.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Sooraj-thrall

That i dont have to verify it myself personally as in, able to create an addon.

Yeah yeah yeah. “Have you ever written an addon?” is the first question and when I say yes “ok that doesn’t matter!”

Then why did you even ask?

@Sooraj-thrall

But hey im completely clueless…or am I? Are you perchance?

Yes, you are.

@Sooraj-thrall

The only Silver Lining we have here is that its Day 3 of Alpha, but as sooner the Pressure is mounted on Blizzard the more we have a real Chance that they have to Walk their PR Talk instead of leaving the Playerbase hanging and we have to deal with messy incompletee Slop.

Why don’t you talk about sensible solutions? For example, I presented the idea elsewhere that we could make data connections. Like we can’t get the health percentage, but we could say “this health bar takes the health percentage floating point value and uses it to color itself”.

We can’t perform any computation on it - the game does that for us - but we can still make them interact. For anyone who’s ever programmed a Mac or iPhone app, you’ll recognise this pattern - UIKit uses it.

Of course when we do this the “black box” thing will spread. If you use a black boxed value to affect a frame, that frame also turns into a black box.

[Someoneelse-xavius (Someoneelse)]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

Current information from the base UI is just not up to snuff, plain and simple. You cannot make our DRs, you cannot see what buttons your allies or enemies have used, you cannot track cooldowns of enemies in order to properly position or use your own buttons, you cannot properly set a priority system of what kind of abilities/auras take precedent on the target frame or nameplate, you cannot properly track items like trinkets.

Unless all of this is adressed and built into the base UI

You’ve just proven Blizzard’s point.

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

I mean in fairness, the biggest feature of VuhDo is click to heal isn’t it? Default UI has that already now.

The default UI already has some features, most just dont know because their long term addons overwrite it.

[Dreamkore-silvermoon]

Is it a problem? Yes. But you cannot remove addons which are the current solution to the problem without first having an alternative solution ready, the nameplate tab of the editor has maybe 2% of what addons like plater or threatplates offer, it is not a sufficient replacement, and their cooldown manager has probably 0.1% of the functionality of weakauras, and it took them a literal year to add the functionality of… removing and adding buttons of your choosing

That is not an acceptable way of going about this, ripping everything off at once, providing no new solution, and trying to drip feed 1/100th of the original solution over the course of a decade of integrated UI tools. That is just not going to cut it

[Someoneelse-xavius (Someoneelse)]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

Is it a problem? Yes. But you cannot remove addons which are the current solution to the problem without first having an alternative solution ready, the nameplate tab of the editor has maybe 2% of what addons like plater or threatplates offer, it is not a sufficient replacement, and their cooldown manager has probably 0.1% of the functionality of weakauras, and it took them a literal year to add the functionality of… removing and adding buttons of your choosing

That is not an acceptable way of going about this, ripping everything off at once, providing no new solution, and trying to drip feed 1/100th of the original solution over the course of a decade of integrated UI tools. That is just not going to cut it

It’s a problem of players own creation: you dont need to know all this stuff, you WANT to know it.

If Blizzard wanted players to know all this stuff they’d leave the original addon alone.

[Dreamkore-silvermoon]

@Someoneelse-xavius

you dont need to know all this stuff, you WANT to know it.

“Uhhm actually ignorance IS bliss”

Ok i’m done

[Sooraj-thrall]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

Yeah yeah yeah. “Have you ever written an addon?” is the first question and when I say yes “ok that doesn’t matter!”

Then why did you even ask?

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

Yes, you are.

Okay look seems like we are talking besides each other so let me rephrase.

The First Part wasnt meant to be “did you write an addon” it was meant to be “i dont need to know how to write an addon, if i have access to information where authors themself say its broken” because your first sentence came across as “he has no idea what hes talking about because he never created an addon” well i dont have to. its enough that verified people say “yeah this is broken”

Secondary it seems to me you are actively ignoring whats fact right now.

It is not working. Everything we have right now breaks.

Not because its an Alpha, but because the APIS are blanketed with [redacted information] like looking at an FBI Paper from a Movie.

And lastly i cant talk about sensible Solutions because im not an Addon Author. (which irks me im very curious but selfteaching doesnt work and courses cost thousands of bucks here in germany)

This Thread was made to shine awareness on the Issue that Addon Authors are standing in front of right now, because it is not widely known Knowledge versus the Q&A Bomb “yeah we gonna nuke your combat addons” Well yeah they do…AND MORE. So People should know what the current Status Quo is, which you apparently vehemently deny “no thats not true OP has no clue”. That how it looks to me.

(written communication medium sucks)