The Hidden Addon Ban Blizzard hasnt openly talked about

[Arueshalae-tichondrius]

Me too. A month ago a dabbled with Elve UI, Shadow Whatever UF and some othe add ons, but the entire configuration was a mess.
I ended up doing everything with the default UI and Plater. Configuring Plater is a nightmare as well. Then I found out I could just import a profile and be done with it.
Actually, that had a huge impact on my playing, almost felt like cheating, because suddenly it was crystal clear which mob to focus on. Clearly, that only worked, because someone went through the process of categorizing every single mob type and I would assume this is something Blizzard wants us to figure out ourselves. Which by itself is not hard to do. After a while you learn that you have to interrupt the dog mistresses in HoA or those shrieker bugs in Ara Kara. The problem is more to find them in the forest of nameplates when the tank pulls big.
Maybe it is only me, but it is this what I would be missing the most and I hope Blizzard will color code the mobs to some degree in their new nameplates. So far they don’t judging by the screenshots they posted so far.

[Sooraj-thrall]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

These programmers need to start getting used to declarative programming, which is a fancy way of saying that you tell the game what you want to do, you don’t execute any code. Kind of like HTML for websites as opposed to JavaScript.

In fact, half of WoW’s API is based on this. Complementing LUA is XML, which is a language that’s all about tags. HTML is XML but with a bunch of predefined meanings to the tags. WoW also has that, but they’re different ones.

So basically its like they cant write it directly anymore, but they got lego-blocks they are allowed to play around with and wrap their code around.

[Nivdh-silvermoon]

@Arueshalae-tichondrius

Then I found out I could just import a profile and be done with it.

Oh yeah I do that too. I have different platers for different specs. Some people put a lot of time into their plater profiles and it’s great I haven’t used elvui in years lol

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

Obviously not or you would not be saying such pure nonsense like "Just talk to your pug before the dungeon "

If you do pug you know that is just fantasy land. People need to have the information to play, full stop.

https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Ishayo

5 runs today. All PuG runs. Cooking right now, about to do more.

If you worry that PUG’s are going to fail if they don’t coordinate, by the way?
GOOD. A team that can’t work together in a group activity deserve to have their face level with the ground. PuG or not, doesn’t matter.

[Dreamkore-silvermoon]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

If you worry that PUG’s are going to fail if they don’t coordinate, by the way?
GOOD. A team that can’t work together in a group activity deserve to have their face level with the ground. PuG or not, doesn’t matter.

Well they could coordinate up until midnight, when people started removing the tools they needed to coordinate and play, that’s the whole point.

Right now pugs can coordinate because of stuff like omnicd, mythic dungeon tools, weakauras etc. Without them, and relying on the “”“”“”“”“”““communication””“”“”“”“”“”“” in wow, that is so awful that blizzard had to implement a literal social contract to ban players who “communicate” like people have done for the last 20 years, it falls apart.

It’s just creating friction and problems for no reason, want to play with zero UI addons and sit on discord with your friends? Sure, go ahead, maybe it’s enjoyable. But why isn’t that enough? Why must those who don’t play under ideal conditions according to you suffer too?

[Drukzy-draenor]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

Obviously not or you would not be saying such pure nonsense like "Just talk to your pug before the dungeon "

If you do pug you know that is just fantasy land. People need to have the information to play, full stop.

https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Ishayo

5 runs today. All PuG runs. Cooking right now, about to do more.

If you worry that PUG’s are going to fail if they don’t coordinate, by the way?
GOOD. A team that can’t work together in a group activity deserve to have their face level with the ground. PuG or not, doesn’t matter.

Not everyone is in a guild or has friends to run stuff with, and not every pug is the best at communicating, in your perfect view there would only be amazing pugs that can communicate to their best extent, but thats not reality.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

Well they could coordinate up until midnight, when people started removing the tools they needed to coordinate and play, that’s the whole point.

No, they didn’t. You still have the bloody chatbox and your eyes to see when someone does something and plan your action accordingly - never more so than when you’re not spending all your attention on those ridiculous rotations.

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

mythic dungeon tools

MDT still works, confirmed. No changes required (except new maps of course)!

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

It’s just creating friction and problems for no reason, want to play with zero UI addons and sit on discord with your friends? Sure, go ahead, maybe it’s enjoyable. But why isn’t that enough? Why must those who don’t play under ideal conditions according to you suffer too?

It’s creating people talking to each other and playing together and looking at the game world instead of installing a hundred UI addons to do it all for them, that’s what it’s doing. If you consider that friction, then I suppose that’s fair enough, but I consider it the bread and butter of the game at its best; when the enemy is doing things and you have to work individually and work together as a team to defeat their actions instead of constantly sitting there and looking at little tiny icons to figure out what’s happening.

@Drukzy-draenor

in your perfect view there would only be amazing pugs that can communicate to their best extent, but thats not reality.

No, in my world view there are going to be some pugs that are going to fail because they’re bad.

[Arueshalae-tichondrius]

That is why I love voice chat: “I take the star!”, “Okay, I’m on circle then”.
Admittedly I don’t even play medium keys, but I doubt it’s any different.
Isn’t that much nicer as when an add on tells you what to do?

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Arueshalae-tichondrius

That is why I love voice chat: “I take the star!”, “Okay, I’m on circle then”.
Admittedly I don’t even play medium keys, but I doubt it’s any different.
Isn’t that much nicer as when an add on tells you what to do?

Yes it is.
Time to get our eyes off the UI panels and back into the game world.
Time for people to start chatting and having fun together again.
Time for the game to be approachable for new players because their class isn’t some arcane research subject again.

Newbies should just be able to sit down, pick a build that looks cool to them, and play it. None of this “oh but you only do 15% of normal damage unless you do such and such and such”. Sure, it might not be optimal, but it should work.

[Dreamkore-silvermoon]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

It’s creating people talking to each other and playing together and looking at the game world instead of installing a hundred UI addons to do it all for them, that’s what it’s doing. If you consider that friction, then I suppose that’s fair enough, but I consider it the bread and butter of the game at its best; when the enemy is doing things and you have to work individually and work together as a team to defeat their actions instead of constantly sitting there and looking at little tiny icons to figure out what’s happening.

If i wanted to sit around typing essays either alone or with others i would go play typeracer or habbo hotel, this is wow. I want to play the game, push buttons, do content, not spend 10 minutes yapping for every 10 minutes of pushing buttons just because i can’t see my teammates abilities in real time. I just don’t see why those who don’t want to play with information addons have to take everyone else down with them?

Don’t want to use omnicd or whatever fine, don’t but why should others be punished for wanting to use it?

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

If i wanted to sit around typing essays either alone or with others i would go play typeracer or habbo hotel, this is wow. I want to play the game, push buttons, do content, not spend 10 minutes yapping for every 10 minutes of pushing buttons just because i can’t see my teammates abilities in real time.

THIS.
IS.
AN.
MMO.

You are, IN FACT, supposed to talk to people if you want to do group content. Doesn’t have to be people you already know, either.

[Sooraj-thrall]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

If i wanted to sit around typing essays either alone or with others i would go play typeracer or habbo hotel, this is wow. I want to play the game, push buttons, do content, not spend 10 minutes yapping for every 10 minutes of pushing buttons just because i can’t see my teammates abilities in real time.

what did you think we did in wrath of the lichking?

we sat in teamspeak (discord didnt exist back then) and just announced “using cooldown x” or “stack at circle” “spread out”

i dont really see the need to have my teammates cooldowns and abilities visible to me.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Sooraj-thrall

i dont really see the need to have my teammates cooldowns and abilities visible to me.

It’s convenient. It’s not required. It makes the game easier but that’s not necessarily a good thing!

[Drukzy-draenor]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

If i wanted to sit around typing essays either alone or with others i would go play typeracer or habbo hotel, this is wow. I want to play the game, push buttons, do content, not spend 10 minutes yapping for every 10 minutes of pushing buttons just because i can’t see my teammates abilities in real time.

THIS.
IS.
AN.
MMO.

This isnt 2004, even Classic tried doing that, and guess what happened ? It quite literally didnt happen.

People are older now, have responsibilities and time constraints.

This will literally change nothing except make the game less fun by doing an insanely extensive pruning and removing QoL and creating more frustration.

People arent going to sit there and have a chat about what to do and when in a mythic+.

[Dreamkore-silvermoon]

@Sooraj-thrall

what did you think we did in wrath of the lichking?

we sat in teamspeak (discord didnt exist back then) and just announced “using cooldown x” or “stack at circle” “spread out”

Great, and now it’s time to stop living in the past and embrace that in 2025 people don’t want to “hop on a call” with strangers. They just want to play the game. So let them? Why rob peter to pay paul? Why should the no addon crowd be “vindicated” by punishing the pro addon crowd? It’s genuinely puzzling.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Drukzy-draenor

This isnt 2004, even Classic tried doing that, and guess what happened ? It quite literally didnt happen.

People are older now, have responsibilities and time constraints.

This will literally change nothing except make the game less fun by doing an insanely extensive pruning and removing QoL and creating more frustration.

What?

Classic worked out just fine except for the bloody GDKP and gold selling, which should’ve been banned. Absolute bloody joke. I’m sure anniversary has been great. Didn’t play it, but not hearing any complaints, either.

Classic was built for older people. It’s far, far less hardcore than retail.

[Sooraj-thrall]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

It’s convenient. It’s not required. It makes the game easier but that’s not necessarily a good thing!

Honestly i would find it annoying, if i didnt only have my cooldowns and skills on the screen but that of my whole raid.

I dont want to see when my raidpartner dks anti magic shell is back up, i expect him to announce it “using anti shell on next [insert boss ability]”

[Drukzy-draenor]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

@Drukzy-draenor

This isnt 2004, even Classic tried doing that, and guess what happened ? It quite literally didnt happen.

People are older now, have responsibilities and time constraints.

This will literally change nothing except make the game less fun by doing an insanely extensive pruning and removing QoL and creating more frustration.

What?

Classic worked out just fine except for the bloody GDKP and gold selling, which should’ve been banned. Absolute bloody joke. I’m sure anniversary has been great. Didn’t play it, but not hearing any complaints, either.

Classic was built for older people. It’s far, far less hardcore than retail.

What I meant was that allegedly classic was going to be the “rebirth” of communication in WoW, which quite literally didnt happen, people were as anti social as they are on retail.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Sooraj-thrall

Honestly i would find it annoying, if i didnt only have my cooldowns and skills on the screen but that of my whole raid.

I dont want to see when my raidpartner dks anti magic shell is back up, i expect him to announce it “using anti shell on next [insert boss ability]”

Well he can do that. But… it’s quite visible, isn’t it? I mean, pretty hard to miss.

[Arueshalae-tichondrius]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

It’s convenient. It’s not required. It makes the game easier but that’s not necessarily a good thing!

But it also ads up to the information I need to process. And honestly I’d rather not. Just let me me know when Bloodlust comes in or anything on thst level.