With enough resources the Orcs can finally build a proper capital city and not that wet joke orgrimmar. A true capital city that can match up with stormwind in size and importance.
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Oh this thread is going to go well… 
I disagree. For one, Ashenvale is Night Elf teritory and should forever be Night Elf teritory. Would you hand over any horde teritory to the Alliance? I think not.
Orgrimmar is not a wet joke, for many reasons. One, it’s quite dry as I see it. Secondly, it is fit to the whole orc theme. If anything, it needs a rework to look more like the cinematics, it’s supposed to be an imposing fortress after all. And third, Stormwind is the most boring city in the entire WoW universe. It may be big but fantasy-wise, it’s lame (to my taste at least).
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Orcs need a big enough capital city that can be worthy of an empire. And for that we need resources. Like Ashenvale have more then plenty of it.
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5k posts full of trolling and pure garbage posting, you are truly special
I saw you even infested the US forums now with your worthless garbage posts
Maybe one day you’ll too realize that this guy is just a bad troll that posts the same 3 things over and over again. I already told you in the other threads but you didn’t want to listen.
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Don’t confuse the Orgrimmar from the game with the Orgrimmar in the lore. It’s supposed to be massive in the lore. And the Horde has plenty of resources on their own territories, they don’t need Ashenvale to build a city, come on.
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Mostly Goblins built Orgrimmar 2.0
I will not. Orgrimmar is a joke compared to stormwind. Horde deserves a big capital city too.
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Lmao, that’s kinky. I didn’t know Erevien had such fantasies, not sure I wanted to know either
Listen, when he makes sense I will support him, when he doesn’t, I will call him out on it. I try my best to be objective (as much as I can), not saying that I always am, but I understand that this game can’t be one sided and there’s 2 factions that need to be valued and rewarded rightfully.
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hahaha, well, you can’t deny that devotion…really, if Tyrande had been half as devoted as Erevien, Teldrassil wouldn’t have been taken and burned and Elune’d starfall every Horde combatant during the War of Thorns.
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Is there a meme I missed or something? I watched a Taliesin-video where he “joked” about wanting Draka to step on and spit on him…
Well I think real orcs capital city should look like it was in classic. That Iron fortress does not looks like real orcs city. Orcs legacy, should be more wood than iron…
Regarding the thread, I understand that this is trolling, but its good that somebody rise question regarding Ashenvale. Because its a biggest question that is left after the war, and Blizzard just refuse to answer us who really control that territories, and how many cities there left?
What about Silverwing Sentinels and Warsong Gulch?
In fact we do not have any info regarding situation there. All those table quests about Ashenvale, should we count them as Lore? Delaryn in pre-patch told that many civilians manage to run and hide in the wild forest. What happened to them?
We should rise and rise such questions, because its pretty Ugly from Blizzard side, to finish addons, to finish war, and leave the world and results of that war as hidden. I as a player want to know the result of the war!
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I wonder if while we are in the Shadowlands it’s still going to change a little in lore while we are absent, If the major heroes and peace-brokers are in an entirely different realm then the Worgens and Night Elves remaining might continue to push, maybe we will come out of Shadowlands with drastically altered borders?
They gave Ashenvale to the Horde, they just won’t confirm it because they know it’s garbage writing and that they’ll get a lot of hate for it
Yes, especially on the Worgen part. This is the ideal chance for them to retake Gilneas. With Sylvanas and the Forsaken out of the picture there’s 0 reasons for them not to reclaim it.
Correct, it would be true to their fantasy but cmon, the iron fortress looked so good 
I wouldn’t mind lore breaking if it looked like that hehe.
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Judging by reactions of the characters we encounter in the Maw, it seems that the time in Shadowlands flows way faster than on Azeroth. Unless there are places where it goes slower, we might spend 2 years is Shadowlands, but only a couple months in Azeroth.
I mean, I can see some reasoning behind discussing future capital options for night elves and forsaken, because the recent events highlighted how vulnerable they are. Besides, there are other thematically fitting places.
But the biggest danger for Orgrimmar so far were some horde warchiefs. So… not really sure what to say. I mean, some alt-draenor tech could be added in some interesting way, but should they?
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Well setting Blizzards garbage writing aside which never fails to amaze in terms of illogical stupidity, there are some facts for now we have to consider:
- Blizzard confirmed that the Alliance won both warfrons because they were Alliance zones to begin with. The same logic can be applied to Ashenvale which is a NE Zone to begin with.
- We stood before Orgrimmar, yet again (Minus NE forces which recently reconquered Darkshore in 8.1) , so forces were probably ordered back from all occupied zones to defend the city and cause as many deaths as possible.
- Ashenvale is a huge and vast forest, you can conquer it, but you can’t keep it. You get ambushed constandly, attacked constandly by those who live in the forests. We have seen this in history in the Teuteburger Forest where Varus lost 3 Legions to the forest dwelling barbarians he tried to conquer.
- There has been not just an armistice after 8.3 but a peace treaty which would have covered Ashenvale. And since Tyrande didn’t mention their lands to yet have to be returned but just the banshee to be brought to her justice, it can be assumed that Ashenvale was left by the Horde after 8.3 and the beginning of teh peace talks. Also consider that the people who did the peace talk was Baine for example, so I doubt there would have been a huge party that insisted to keep Ashenvale just for the sake of it and have the Alliance be ok with it. Especially after Tyrande is seen as increadbly unruly.
- Tyrande didn’t continue waging war on the Horde after 8.3 to reclaim NE territory but instead hunted down Sylvanas, so this also can be seen as that all other matters have been solved for now.
- In the BFA prepatch Lor Themar is hoping strongly that Tyrande is focusing her rage on Sylvanas not the Horde. I don’t think he would even consider that to happen if the Horde would still occupy NE lands.
- In Rising Shadows where Thrall visited Tyrande, no NE there mentioned Ashenvale. If the Hord woudl still occupy it, that would have been a huge elephant in the room and would have been used as an argument against Thralls “the Horde has changed”.
With these facts that ARE in the game or have been mentioned, it is pretty safe to assume for now that after Darkshore, Ashenvale was recovered aswell, since it was a Zone the Horde moved through but didn’t fortify like Darkshore.
Yet granted we still have garbage writing that defies logic and every single bit of common sense like we have seen with catapult that can burn a kilometers high tree miles away. But for now these are the facts we have and the status quo.
Another thing is: Blizzard lost a lot of players during BFA with statictics showing proportionally more NE and Alliance players boykotting BFA, they know they have to fix it. They also know how badly and blandly 8.1 was recieved by its core audience NE players. I doubt that they even dare to touch NEs for now.
They even introduced quests in SL to recover and save NE souls from the maw SPECIFICLY. No other races deads are treated that way. The countless Orcs and Trolls, Bloodelves taht died during WoT aswell as the BFA wars. None are mentioned specificly.
Blizzard is appreaently full fixing mode for NE players here which rightfully feld spat in the face during BFA.
Why Blizzard has yet not mentioned or confirmed Ashenvale could have many reasons, one is: Look at all the Sylvanas apologists, for some reasons Horde players view it as a unjustified loss when they lose something they have stolen away in the first playe (which was not even something that belonged to them in the first place, look how they cried about the fact that the Alliance was able to win BACK their zones in the Warfronts. ).
Blizzard doesn’t seem to want to start yet another fire for no reason.
Another reason could be that Ashenvale is the center of a yet to come storyline:
I somehow doubt that we will stay for every content patch storywise in the Shadowlands. It was never that way. For example 8.1 was not about Zandalar or Kul Tiras, but old Zones being revamped and teh story that was happening there outside of the main expansions objective.
Same could happen in SL with 9.1 or 9.2 being focused on sidestory paths like Turalyon, Genn and Maiev using the vacuum of power in the Alliance to attack the Horde in Anduins absence who is practicly the only one holding all of those back who the horde managed to make their eternal enemies by genociding and destorying their lands.
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I prefered the old the old WC1 / Outlands style adobe orc dwellings myself.
But the Iron Horde stuff is cool too.
There’s allot of AU Draenor Clan stuff that looks really amazing too, like the Shadowmoon clan for example. Would be cool to see some of that back into Orgrimmar or other Horde settlements.
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Relocate the Horde capital to Silvermoon and update it.
The other races can make quarters in the ruined section when they rebuild it (as long as they get planning permission).
But in all seriousness, Ashenvale has pretty much been a disputed territory since the events of WC3. Areas of control by the Horde, Alliance or other factions like the Satyrs and Furlbogs is very patchwork and irregularly dispersed beyond key settlements.
That said, the mass felling and logging operation in the east does have a substantial Horde presence though. I don’t think the Orcs would be there if they didn’t need the lumber supply.
You’ve also got the Goblins to consider who’ve recently founded a city just across the Southfury River in Aszhara and pretty much now dominate the territory.
We could very well end up with a Western and Eastern Ashenvale zones.
I think this trend is inevitable with the current geographical arrangement and pressures exerted by the (in game) regional settlements nearby.
It’s hard to say where that border would eventually be though for the reasons stated above.
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Actually there was a lot of Night Elves soldiers at the Orgrimmar. In fact mobs count was the same as humans. But all of those Night Elves soldiers were not from the army of the Dark Moon. They had silver eyes. And Feathermoon was leading them.
And that also was written in one of the Table Missions, where it was stated that Feathermoon gathers Night Elves soldiers across the world, and plans to move the attack on Orgrimmar…
Agree. Again in table missions since the beginning of the BFA it was stated that one Huntress leader and other sentinels in Ashenvale continue rogue wars. Also according to table missions Astranaar was under Alliance control.
Same thing was in pre-patch. Horde forces have passed Ashenvale to the Darkshores. We, Alliance players retake Astranaar and kill forsaken soldiers there. Astranaar left in our hands when we left to fight in Darkshores in second part of the pre-patch.
Delaryn in Astranaar during pre-patch was also hoping that some of the civilians manage to run into the forest. And yes, some of the npc bodies was missing. Like that little girl and her father that we were healing in Classic quests. They were missing. In their home was a dead body of the stables master.
Also many Night Elves bases like Maestra’s Post were not mentioned during War of the Thorns or in pre-patch. Horde army did not pass those small bases. So, basically those Nelfs still should be there somewhere.
Also, another fact, is that Horde forces attack on Darshores Warfront from the sea. Why if they could attack from Ashenvale forest?
Maybe because Ashenvale forest is danger zone, and there are no Horde bases there?
Offtop, also during pre-patch AFTER the burning of the Teldrassil, in the Darkshores appeared a ship with a lot of the civilians on the north. Also around Lordanel appeared Dryad forces and Priestess of the Elune. They were building barricades and some moon stones. Also there was a roof of the temple of the moon on the ground for some reason.
All those stuff were not mentioned in any quests or books. But again in table mission there is a quest that states that evacuation form Teldrassil continues using the ships…
So I guess we can count at least some of the table missions as Lore!
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My bad then, I have to say I haven’t played BFA at all. I boykotted this sorry garbage dumpster fire and my knowledge is based on the cinematics which didn’t show any NE force there. (Came back 2 weeks ago to farm the NE transmogs before Prepatch, just to be sure)
Also I am not sure how canonly they really are, since Tyrande was hunting down Sylvanas why wasn’t she present then? So My take would be that she was occupied by fighting other wars instead with the army of the dark moon probably securing Ashenvale since there was nothing else left to so?
I tried to focus on the undisputable facts we know and which have been shown ingame or in the novels, but yes the mission tables state these things. Though I am not sure how accurate and canon they are, they seem to not reflect reality.
One can however argue that during the WoT prepatch we indeed resecure Ashenvale after the Horde forced moved through it. But we also don’t know what happened after the Burning and if the Horde forces then marched back through it.
Same happens for the Kaldorei forces, so not a good indicator I’d say. The Nightwarrior Questline starts at Zoram and the Warfront at Auberdine both from sea.
So I am not saying you are wrong, just wanting to focus on things we deffinately know and which are as little speculations as possible.
From the logical point of view of course there is no reason for me why a rage driven Avatar of vengence who said from herself that she needs to hunt the Horde to soothe the power if herself to stop kiling them when they still occupy Ashenvale. Also Malfurion itself seem to left the path of Balance and actively guerellia attacks horde forces as seen in Terrors of Darkshore.
In Elegy he was also descibed as actively fighting in Ashenvale. Why should he stop now?
Like I said, garbage Blizzard writing set aside that NE have suffered since Cataclysm, these are the facts we currently know of and they speak heavyly towards an Ashenvale that has been purged by the Horde for now completely.
NEs are no longer out for peace or balance, they are no longer willing to accept small skirmishes or desputes over some outskirt reagons of Ashenvale. The Horde has managed to fully invoke their hatred and Tyrande is showing and saying it directly in Shadows Rising. She expects the Kaldorei to hunt every Hord emember down they can get hold of no matter the peace treaty. So Ashenvale would again be a complete death trap for them like WC3. At least in my opinion. But the last parts are speculations which I wanted to stay away from, as Blizzard doesn’t seem to understand logic in these cases at all so again I focused on the things Blizzard did indeed show or told.
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