Genocide is one of those things on the internet that people can clash for weeks over definitions etc. Yet never reach any satisifying conclusions.
I do not have any strong opinions on the main topic but maybe it’s time to move away from talks of genocide? It is the current killer of any lore discussion on any forum and it is the fault of a story team that relies on cheap shock over substance.
the horde only sought to kill 2 Night elfs and that was to break the Night elf spirit so they would surrender, the attack on the tree was the same to break their spirit not to kill off the Night elfs so that must mean its not a genocide or are we playing totally differnt games?
okay, i’ll stop now.
Just stop talk about definitions. You will remain in a loop otherwise. Let’s just calll it mass murder.
Definitions of morally reprehensible acts aside, player’s reactions to Blizzard’s intention to portray as one side in the clear wrong when player’s had expectations of a nuanced conflict have not ended well.
Is it that unreasonable to expect Blizzard to consider both sides when they promise faction pride?
I’m really not trying to defend Sylvanas’ actions, she’s as evil as it gets, but i can understand people who search for scraps of reasons to hate the Alliance. That’s all the Horde got left at this time.
I’m not the writer. I can’t speak for them. However, Sylvanas is a controversial character with interpretations ranging from antihero to villain. The writer’s probably had different interpretations of certain characters and the perceived popularity of a particular story line and so wrote the expansion with that in mind.
All too true. I meant what I said with this particular quote:
Everything the Horde accomplishes is either accomplished through resorting to ridiculous war crimes and plot devices, or in the rare cases where the Horde actually wins a thing without resorting to war crimes or plot devices, they screw it all up somehow.
In fact, let me throw a bone to the Alliance fans: Tell me the last time that the Horde honourably and fairly won any engagement with the Alliance. Tell me. I’m here, I’m waiting.
What’s that? There was no last time? Everything that the Horde has accomplished against the Alliance has been accomplished through evil means or plot devices, and so far the Horde has been shown as losing to the Alliance every time that they have fought fairly in any conflict? Why yes, that’s exactly my point.
Ending of Southern Barren’s questing when you blow up Bael Modan
It seems that Storywriters have a kind of alliance bias with a special hate to Night Elves.
Wasn’t that also demonized in some way by Alliance as some sort of affront to their integrity? I dunno, I feel like it was mentioned somewhere in this forum that it was unjustful that Bael Modan got blown up.
For some reason.
Somehow destroying an entire base by sabotaging a single artillery shell that misfires in the mortar’s magazine seems like something of a plot device to me.
Bael’dun Keep was an enemy fortress
Sabotage is a plot device now?
Nonsensical sabotage that shouldn’t inflict any major structural damage somehow causing the entire fortress to explode is a plot device.
That was from the(What a surprise) Christie Golden novel war crimes. Don’t mention it again. The Tauren were totally justified blowing that thing up from a military perspective, even if you used to get teached by the Baine thoughts-school of “A legitimate military target”. Because there was nothing but soldiers inside of it.
I haven’t read Tides of war but the quest dialogue for Tauren vengance does say the following:
My people are not wrathful by nature, but sometimes a thirst for justice causes us to take up arms in anger.
My old friend Gann Stonespire, on learning of the butchery in Taurajo, flew into a fury. Tribal elders could no longer hold his rage in check.
Now he has all but parted ways with the Horde. He’s gone rogue, <name>, and seeks to lash out at the Alliance with a small band of like-minded partisans.
If you, too, seek vengeance, you will find him southeast of here, at the foot of Bael Modan.
Reference: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=24632/tauren-vengeance
There was really no need of him parting with the Horde since the Orc forces in the southern Barrens were in open conflict anyways with fresh forces(funnily coming from Theramore) from the Alliance. I really don’t get why he would need the approval of elders for his actions. Garrosh would have handkissed him a person if he could for such a behaviour.
That’s your view, but not Blizzard’s. Maybe the approval of elders is essentail in Tauren society. Who knows. They did go rogue though.
Garrosh probably would’ve done that.
The Horde is a dictatorship and the Warchief always has the last word in military matters. If he truly wanted to, Gann just would have had to ask the best nearby Orc General around.
But he didn’t, for whatever reason. He could’ve asked Warlord Bloodhilt, but he didn’t.
An argument could be made that as he did not involve the Warcheif, this was an internal matter of the Tauren, and that the Tauren leader was fit to decree judgement on him and like-minded Tauren.