The impossible fight against community

How is possible to have epic mount as you reach level 60?
How is possible to afford epic worl drops from AH?
How is possible to afford all consumable for raids with enriched AH prices?

Because many player, many many players … buy gold from RMT services.
That makes farm bots a worthable business, because players buy gold.
And bots doesn’t stop. They play 24/7.

GDKPs were no the problem.
Gold buyers is the problem.

A casual player, such me, can’t run with this economy.
A new player won’t never experience Vanilla experience, nevermore.

Either you buy gold … or you are out of the community.
And we are not able to report gold buyers, because there’s not GMs.

Thank you all gold buyers.
Thank you Blizzard.

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i dont buy. farm valuable resources from blasted land (quest buff ), winterspring firewater, mining, herb, crafting prebis and more. it takes most playtime.

People are finally coming to this realization. In and of itself there’s nothing inherently wrong with GDKP as a concept. The problem, really, is people buying gold. From the looks of it, the GDKP ban did little to reduce the amount of people buying gold. If someone bought gold for GDKPs in the past, they’re now buying gold for consumes, mounts, boosts and BoEs instead.

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Oh yeah, GDKP is still here - you just don’t see it. Swipers are just using Discord to coordinate.

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GDKP is not the cause of the problem, but owes its existence and viability to the gold sellers…

All the crazy economy that allows you to sell items at exorbitant prices to enrich yourself quickly? Thanks to the gold buyers. The GDKP pot? Thanks to the gold buyers.

Without the Bots and the RMT, say goodbye to your combins to enrich yourself easily. Everyone benefits from the RMT, knowing it or not.

Or suffers if they are not aware of all its fraudulent means to enrich themselves on the backs of whales.

Its just normal. Just today i did some pvp with maybe 5 people in random blue dungeon gear, boe epics. the usual.
Also everyone had epic mount and engineering bop items from both specs. and only one of them had mining.
They just laughed when i made a joke about gold buying.

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I don’t have epic mount. Eventually I’ll be able to afford it, that’s fine.

I don’t have epic world drops. Eventually I’ll be able to afford it, can live with worse items for now.

I was able to afford all consumables for my raids. I mean, that’s like 30-50 gold for entire raid, not a big deal. I just run some dungeons and sell stuff that I’ve looted. Many quests yield 5-10g rewards, so I do that too. It’s not much but it’s fair work!

I don’t know why do you think that you’re “out of the community” without epic mount. Nobody ever told me that I’m out of the community. Quite the opposite. I healed molten core and my logs are good, like 90+ or something, so my raid leader was happy about it for some reason. I don’t pad logs, I just play the way I think makes sense.

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I didn’t say anyone is out for not owning sth.
I had stated that either you pass through the hole and allow gold buyers/sellers to stay around and completely break the economy of any server; or you are out.

And you, as player, are out in this ficticious ecosystem because noone is interested in banning gold buyers effectively. Primary Blizzard. Why? Because a gold buyer is someone paying for an subscription. The more subscriptions, the more capital & numbers in order to support what everyone knows at this time … classic, as it is, is pay-to-win game.

So, casual and role-playing players who want to experience the real vanilla experience only have slightly and ridiculus chances against horde of farming bots and gold buyers. You must find a whole community in-game with the same idea and background, that support each other.

But to be honest, in every single corner of this game, there’s always someone that goes and spend 20<whatever_coin> to obtain 1k gold; and that is because nowadays it seems completely open and free to obtain money in-game this way. Noone is punished for RMT, neither the gold sellers or the gold buyers.

And from time to time Blizzard bans some bots.
But that’s not enough.

GDKPs is a loot system, and I’m ok with those communities that enhance that loot system. Farm bots are spread all Azeroth, exploting the game mechanics in order to massively farm raw gold and materials.

If I know from someone who has been buying gold, why I can’t report him/her?
I know that allowing this kind of reports may introduce a double-edge in the game, and players may report from cheating to innocents (which is already happening, btw).

Obviously, if players won’t buy gold, sellers and bots won’t exists but taking into account that is seems an impossible, the only suitable way of playing for a casual is eventually buying gold.


And which solutions may could be applied againts this madness?

I propose the following (it can be any of them, all of them or a combination):

  1. Disable money trade between characters of different accounts, either through trade system or mail in-game.
  2. Completely disable AH and only allow characters trade.
  3. Cap AH offers per account and time slots.
    For example: you can only post 10 auctions per hour.
  4. Apply minimun & maximum limit AH prices per item.
    So item prices can’t be lower than selling them to NPC vendors and can’t be higher that an “real” affordable price.
  5. Develop AH bots that control the AH prices.
  6. Remove AH and develop an trade-exchange system

Trade Exchange System

AH is no longer in game.
There’s a NPC next to your professions trainer which belongs to the NPC’s in-game guild <Trade Exchancher>.
When you interact with this NPC a new window will appear, and you may find the following options:

  • Sell items
  • Buy items

In the interface for selling items you will find a way to place in there items you are able to craft through your character professions, and which items from other professions you will like to trade those item with.

For example, I’m a alchemist and I want to obtain a bag from a tailor.
I will go to the trade exchanger and I will post a package of 5 elixirs for a 14 slot bag.

In the interface for buying items I will be able to search for any offer other player had done using the selling interface.

For example, I’m a tailor and I want to obtain 5 elixirs.
Then when listing offers for the elixirs I want I will notice someone is offering a package of 5 for a 14 slot bag; then I craft the bag and I do exchange the 5 elixirs for the item I’ve crafted.

I do receive the exlixirs at my mail.
The alchemist will receive his/her bag in the mail.

Limitations:

  • Trade Exchanger NPCs will only allow you offer items do you know the recipe/patter/schematic to craft.

No money involved.

Not all of these ideas will work.
Blizzard has all the tools to effectively ban gold buyers and Bots, it just decided that it was more profitable to let it happen than to act.

The only solution that could alleviate this phenomenon would be to open a chill server, without rush, very long phases, making all the need for boost, FOMO, min-max, spell/meleecleave unnecessary, even a slow player would have time to catch up the others before the next phases, avoiding all stress.

There would surely still be idiots who would buy gold but for the most part it would be useless.

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How would you prevent the sweaters from joining it?
I can only see e. g. MC opening after minimum 6 - 8 months and so on. But would “they” really stay away instead of flooding the forums with whine? Bc on a “chill server” they would have it easier to become No. 1 lol.

Do you really think they’re going to come, rush the lvl60 farm DS1 and then get bored for 3-4 months without having anything else to loot?

Good point :smiley:

I’m 58 lvl with my Hunter and i have almost 3.7k gold from gathering farming .(Already bough some epic for 60 lvl )

I sold in 1 day 34 Essence of water that i farmed , each for 20 gold = money
I farmed Herbs/mining =easy 200g in like 2/3 hours .

Y/day i farmed Gromsblood for like 2=3 hour with some break 8 stacks =money.

Another example is checking Ah for specific item . 1 week ago there was many epic ring of 38 lvl at 20-25 gold ~
I bought them . Today the price are for 70 gold~ quess who make 40+ gold profit with a single item sold :smiley:

I don’t know but depends on the player and how he can adapt to the gameplay and learning effectively how to make the 100%.

and how is the gold from who buy what you farmed is generated? Hmmmmmm :thinking: ?

That’s that OP is talking about i guess, you could not sell all that this expansive without goldbuyers → on the 3.7k gold you got there is 3.2k gold bot generated

How fresh levelers buy a boost for 2-3g and still have enough gold to afford the mount at lvl 40? Hmmmmmm :thinking: ?

You can’t say to me 99% of playerbase leveled a mage day 1 to farm ZF solo… Hmmmmmmmmm :thinking: ?

:thinking:

:rofl:

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Exactly my point in an earlier thread - except I saw boosts selling for 20g each. Completely unrealistic unless you also swipe your credit card.

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A lot of Sarcasm> i shouldn’t write the number of gold:( make people jel** )

57-58 now i had 142 gold from vendor -quest~ A nice amount that anyone at this lvl generate …(Just now finished at 58 a quest in Western plaguelands~Locked Away ~2.5 gold +1 weapon 2.4 gold vendor and a ring close to 1 gold= 6 gold for 1 min )

The more people are at max lvl the more money they generate . (Have you done stratoholme ?? 15-30 gold just vendor some thrash-even the runecloth etc )

The game is for 20 years and there are plenty of guides that don’t revolve interaction with bots or anything that can make you earn a lot of money .

Also many of the fresh chars like you say levelers* are alts from some 60 lvl and can easily spend 20-50 gold for few runs…

People who are unable to create or to solve problems create a reason to blame :slight_smile:

How many times I was able to make these dungeons in Vanilla in 2005+ … the number you advance is unrealistic without farming I do not know how many times the dungeon and having a little luck on the loots.

The rest is just a speech to try to make people believe that it is easy to generate hundreds of gold by farming moderately while failing to say that it is only the abundance of gold in circulation thanks to Bots and gold buyers that allows this.

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I generate almost 500g daily by doing x5 reset dungeons mining+herbs every 1 hour for a few hours and log off. This is my plan for the whole ''Non battlegrounds-pvp week" so i could afford boes,max proffesions,consumable and start the pvp grind once they open instanced pvp.

For the same reason the same people whine and only those whine on forums …

Basically there are hundred of players ( my guild now has 67 players online right now ) .
36 are in dungeons and others doing other activities )

No one is complaining on forums …everyone is playing-doing dungeon and any activity .

Instead on forums the same complainers always complain…(

i hope your goldie FAPs gonna get purged in 3sec and your grenades avoided

booom, all your goldfarm vanish

you don’t play PvP, you play stupid gold