The last fun part of WoW has been ruined

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Hey guys,

I’ve been playing WoW on and off since BC, I’ve been a casual noob, I’ve been a try hard, I’ve stopped playing for an expansion or two. I’ve seen the game in many states and none have been as sad as BFA.

Well, I quit bfa for 6 months or so, but I remembered how much fun I had making a couple of twinks before I left.

I grinded for DAYS of play time per twink. I got all the BIS gear for an arcane mage and a fury warrior. In the process I made so many friends in the 50-59 bracket and had a great time helping other people to gear. It was the first sense of community I had enjoyed in WoW in a long time, because our goals were set by ourselves and there was no sense of a hard grind. I even bought a second account so I could boost myself and others through dungeons. It was dope as hell!

The progression was satisfying because you knew that once you were geared then that was it. If you got bis then you got bis. Of course there are crazy rare pieces that take months of searching to get, so there is usually room to improve, but the sense of achievement was like it used to be in WoW. Not this casino crap we have to deal with now.

Well, I logged in today and decided to replace the deservedly nerfed sul’thraze that I farmed with some of the guys and gals in the bracket, with a fresh new Destiny. I farmed that sword for 6 hours today. I was queued the whole time. I HAVE NOT PLAYED A BATTLEGROUND IN THAT TIME.

Let me reiterate. I was in the queue for 6 hours, no joke. The queue did not pop.

Well. I mean that’s just it then isn’t it Blizz. The last satisfying part of the game for a lot of people. The very last beacon of what WoW was. Snuffed out.

Nobody likes WoW anymore, that’s a generalisation sure, but as a generalisation it’s true. Everyone, literally EVERYONE that I knew who played this game has quit, and the last good thing it had going for me was twinking.

I’ve been given no options here. I cannot play battlegrounds anymore, I can’t stand this tired end game, nobody plays anymore, all the good streamers quit, all the best players are only in it for the money. You’ve catered to the casuals for so long that you have strangled your own game.

Even now I can see on the forums little whiny geeks saying the Russians are too good and they should have their own queue. People with good gear are too good get them out of here. CAN YOU NOT SEE THEY ARE JUST SALTY THAT THEY LOST? Can you not read through the lines and realise that people just don’t like losing and that they will blame all of their failures on ANYTHING except for their own inadequacies?

Was it really so bad to have a couple of twinks in the game? Was losing a game or two honestly so heartbreaking?

I refuse to run on your wheel Blizz. Your game just isn’t fun, that’s just how it is. People are now more excited to play the game as it was before all your new, clearly clueless, talentless, creatively devoid staff came in and replaced the old dogs. People would rather you erased the past 10 years of content than play the game as it is now, and you still had to cuck the last bastion of a fan base you had on the way out. The last final remnants of what we could call a community.

I honestly enjoyed twinking at the start because it was fun to farm noobs in three shots with arcane blast, so sue me. Then I found the community was so rich and had some really good playes. Then I found a nemesis team in a group of 5, who would play two assasination rogues and two priests and we would have seriously epic duels. I made friends with them on the community discord and would trash talk them on there if I won and vice versa.

Today I logged in and all of that is gone. Nobody is online, nobody is queueing, and I can’t even get in to battleground.

For all the people saying that this was a change FOR the casuals? What takes more time do you think, gearing a twink or gearing a max level? How often does a 120 have to play to maintain their item level? I can tell you, twinking takes less time and has no upkeep. If only you weren’t such a noob perhaps you would be able to see more clearly that twinking suits a more casual play style. I was gone for 6 months and I just need to replace 1 sword on 1 character, you think my raiding toon would fair so well?

I’m done. I will be unsubbing, and now, I’m not even going to play classic. I want blizz to fail now.

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OK. Take care.

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Is your input as pointless in real life or do you just take your time to be an absolute nobody just on the internet?

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As pointless as the initial topic of discussion here, really.

I am going bite this bait, and say that I take my time to be an absolute nobody just on the internet.

I’ll wish you well though. There’s a chance you will read this so might as well wish you good fortune on your way forward.

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This is why there is and never will be any simpathy for twinks, all that blabber about community but in reality all you want is to take advantage of people who just want to have a good time going through the natural progression of the game, because you lack the skill to do it agaisnt people who know what they’re doing.

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it’s a lack of skill to farm GEAR in a RPG to easily melt a character who is 5hours fresh in the game and mine 70 days old ? it’s RPG dude but i can see that the word RPG is getting busted out by fast food games as BFA is today, you should calculate it

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Eh, I’ll bite.

The “natural progression” was removed with heirlooms, so that’s a joke. Half of your gear now is heirlooms, and most people enchant their heirlooms; those who don’t are actually kind of dumb.

And also, people who lack skill at max level also lack skill at low level. A bad lvl120 would be just as bad on a twink.

You think twinks are automatically 3 times stronger than everybody else and win based off of that? Not the case at all. The only times twinks are absurdly more powerful than somebody with enchanted heirlooms is at lvl110 (you can thank the new-expansion powerspike on gear for that).

Twinks at 49 and 59 used to also be stupidly strong, however the things making them incredibly strong (proc items and on-use items that were overtuned) were nerfed. That chance on hit for 950 Sul’thraze damage? Down to 200 damage.

1.5k on-use Ramstein’s? Nope, 700 now.

Chance on hit 800+ lifesteal? Nope, 200 now.
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Know what the biggest joke of your comment is though? Saying people that stomp ungeared people at low levels are bad, but the real gear disparity comes at 120. A levelling alt has a MUCH better chance of killing a twink, even a good one, than a fresh 120 has of killing a decent geared 120. And that’s just a decent geared one.

A BiS geared 120 vs a fresh? Yeah, right.

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Your implication being that people levelling through BG’s are clueless about PvP but those people at 120 are somehow good at PvP. Those levellers at 120 are still going to be wrecked in BG’s on a fresh 120 against the i400 plus PvE geared players.

Don’t be ridiculous.

Are you even qualified to comment on the state of PvP?

Honor level 9 and 490 HK’s ……… It would be like me commenting on the state of end game raiding.

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I like how you left out “i just don’t understand the gearing system” lol, but it’s ok, i understand you’re salty about blizzard taking away you’re pub stomping.

I might not know alot about wow pvp, but i’ve been gaming for a while now and twinking isnt native to WoW. Every game with a ranking system usually has a bunch frustrated players who can’t make in the higher tiers of the content and so resort to pub stomping lower tiered players.

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It would also be like you commenting on the state of PvP, or do you think having 1550 rated as your best achievement something to be proud of? Hilarious.

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Rating has not been a thing to brag about since TBC. Keep it up folks, I’ll get some popcorn!

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Ofc you have read all my posts on the change to the Twink queues, you know by speaking to me directly that I’m salty about not being able to join regular BGs on my twinks?

No I didn’t think so.

If you care to know I’m not salty at all about the change, what I am salty about is miss informed people assuming they know sh1t when they clearly have no clue what they are talking about.

Along with the way the change was ninja’d , they announced the change to the queues 48 hours after they made it.

The XP Off BG queues are also bugged, you can’t queue a random BG and get a pop. The queue never pops, you have to queue a single BG and solo. Even then when there enough people queued on each faction it won’t always pop.

Do you really think the change to separate queues changes my ability to make a Twinked toon, gear it with XP Off and do BG’s with XP on? Then rinse and repeat through the brackets, if that was my motivation for turning XP off?

Or simply rez a Legion 110 and turn its XP off, update it’s gear with BfA Azerite items and stomp all over non BfA 110’s?

Just check some of my post history if you really want to see what I think would be better solutions.

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More relevant than your PvP experience though.

You do know that to get Arena rating you actually have to do Arenas, that rating was from MoP when a friend convinced my to give it ago.

I have maybe done a 100 Arena’s since MoP, it’s not a part of the game I get any enjoyment from so I don’t do it, unless I let a friend talk me into it for a few.

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Considering my PvP experience started a few weeks ago i would hope.

Of course you don’t get any enjoyment from Arenas, your enjoyment comes from queuing up for unrated low level Bgs with twinked characters so you can feel good about yourself while killing players who are just leveling up and going through the natural progression of their character.

Just like smurfing in Overwatch, Counter strike, league of legends and just about any other tiered PvP game. This isnt new, and the cause is always the same. Blizzard has done a great job.

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Fun thread.

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Is that why I have more BG’s and HK’s on what were at the time max level characters?

Do you think that queuing on your i404 Priest doesn’t give you a huge advantage over say my fresh i325 120 'Lock. It’s the same thing, but because it’s at max level it’s fine?

I wouldn’t dream of crying that my 120’s are out geared, hell I’d play them if there was a clear gearing path, ie PvP gear with PvP only stats, that could be bought from a PvP Vendor with PvP Currency. But with current PvP gear lottery I’m not wasting my time.

I find it kinda odd that you hadn’t stepped into a BG until after the queues were separated again, and comment on Twinks in BG’s that it appears you’ve never actually experienced for yourself.

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As it should, and as a fresh 325ilvl 120 player, you can now work towards gearing yourself up to eventually be able to close that gap, on the other hand, twinks purposely lock themselves in a tier of content the game isnt designed towards in order to have an advantage over players who are naturally playing the game.

Obviously being max level makes it fine, do you think a new player is going to randomly stop leveling and spend weeks gearing up a level 20 (for example) to queue up for bgs? No you don’t, and that’s why you YOU DO IT. Some of you even go to the lengths of bug exploiting to get into those bgs now, which i hope blizzard takes action agaisnt.

A fresh level 120 might be outgeared by me, but they have nothing but time to gear up their character, just like i and 99.9% of the playerbase did.

This is not true, i did plenty of bgs while leveling, i have 2 120’s and 2 110’s.

And like i said before, twinking isnt something that only happens in WoW. I played counter strike for years twinking (called smurfing in CS) existed. Just like in league of legends and overwatch.

This topic is getting old. Blizzard did a great job on this one.

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Does it though? Doesn’t essentially add up to the same thing.

At your iLevel you have a massive gear advantage over a fresh 120, much much bigger than the advantage a Twink has in a lot of the brackets. I have detailed several times how I believe the outliner brackets could be better aligned.

The issue being that people like me who prefer to be able to gear up doing the content they enjoy can’t. There is no gear progression in PvP, yes you can get a guaranteed piece once a week from the Conquest Chest, but outside of that you at the mercy of a RNG in the hope of a random reward that may or may not be a piece you need, and may or may not be an upgrade.

I’m not interested in doing endless WQ / Dungeons to get gear to allow me to be competitive in the activity I actually enjoy and want to do.

So why does your armoury ( Achievements ) show no PvP achievements ( apart from 500HK’s ) prior to May 2019? Yet my armoury shows way back to 2012 before this character was made.

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Maybe because only is 500 HK are account wide and the others are per character? Playing since MoP and dont know that? My last main got that 500HK achiev, this priest isnt even 3 months old.

Why didnt you quote the rest? Didnt even answer it, truly hilarious. Im done with this topic and particularly with you, picking and choosing what you want to address and furthering your faulty notions while ignoring facts.

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Fascinating how people play a MMORPG, yet encourage banning twinking altogether. Twinking is, essentially, the same as level cap when it comes to gearing progress, except it isn’t completely reset when a new patch hits. MMORPG was and is about gear progression, take it or leave it.
While the queue change is awesome, the main issue is that twinks cannot queue against each other in their separate queue - it won’t proc even with voice coordination. I understand that in 2019 it’s a small indie company age, but still, any attempt at fixing that would be welcome.

Nothing to add here, tbh. Heard some private servers actually went out of their way to create separate item level brackets in order to maintain healthy competition. Wish retail would follow the same pattern consistently and not with twinks only.

Kaizem:

Also Kaizem:

Eks to the freaking dee.
Gear matters in PvP, skill - to a slightly lesser extent. Legion is gone.
When it comes to first post, twinking community is actually more active.
Natural progression of the game is gear progression, plain and simple. If you’re beaten by a twink, you either go twink as well and get your corresponding BiS to stand a chance, or go whine on forums. Both work.
Doesn’t look like you played as much as well to talk about natural progression of the game in any form. Hell, twinks in most brackets now (except maybe 59ish?) don’t have a delta above 40% compared to normal levelers, and in no way or form can be compared to Vanilla twinks, Wrath 69 twinks, and especially Cata 79 and MoP 84 twinks (I actualy suggest you check it out for yourself and compare).
You’ll have a fun time in Classic when there’s no separate queues to cover your back from the ACTUAL twinks and R14s, that’s for sure. Won’t be able to come and rationalize it out, though, so appreciate what you have.

Roughly over a half of twinks I’ve met over the years have 2.2k+ on their respective mains, 2k+ back on AT (yes it matters) and some even in high end Mythic guilds - something that’s out of your reach and is to stay that way. You don’t define the reasons people do this or that for other players. You just don’t.
Now cry your damn tears and git gud.

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